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Grand Cross
This isn't really a statistic/forumla for the game, but I feel this information may be useful for people, so it's why I'm posting it.

I decided to make this simply because I'm on a goal to raise enough money for a Sun war platemail (just a personal goal of mine) and I wanted to know how fast I could make money. Also, people have told me that woodcutting is the fastest way to make money, which I know is far from true (at least at this point).

Here's some information about my woodcutting. I am a Talented woodcutter.

It took me 14 minutes and 34 seconds to get 30 Ginko wood. This time dose not include the walk it takes to get to a grove and to step in front of a tree.

Increments of Ginko wood recieved per tree:
4, 4, 2, 6, 2, 4, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1
Total trees cut: 12
Times axes broke: 4 (replaced it within a couple seconds)
Number of "whacks": 15

If it takes me 14:34 to get 30 ginko wood, how much time will it take to get 1000:
1000 / 30 = 33 (the number of trips it will take if I always got 30 wood)
33 x 14.34 = 473 minutes, 22 seconds
473.22 / 60 (to get hours) = 7 to 8 hours.*

* Once again, time does not include the walk to a grove/to a tree.
I'm well aware that the ginko wood times will ALWAYS vary. It doesnt always take 12 trees, I don't always lose that many axes, etc. This is a mere (and IMHO fair) time for how long it takes.

If I sold 1000 Ginko wood at...
400k: 400 / 30 = 13k worth of Ginko wood per trip
450k: 450 / 30 = 15k worth of Ginko wood per trip

7 to 8 hours JUST for a measly 400-450k. I tried something else: amber hunting in Rabbit2.




Some information about my Rabbit2 amber hunting:
- I go R3 with a base mana of 9.6k, and the following equipment: Plasmic substratum, 2 99 Red boots, Substratum headpiece. (9.6k + 3.5k + 4k + 1k = 18.1k mana)
- I ONLY use Plasmic substratum to get to R3, otherwise this is my equipment:
Weapon: Enchanted spike
Armor: Wind platemail
Helm: Substratum headpiece
Accessory: 2 Ambrosia
Sub-accessory: 2 99 Red boots
- Obviously, I'm a warrior, and I use Watchful eye to trigger all of the Rabbit ambushes I can

It takes me about one rage period (938 seconds or about 16 minutes) to get 100 Amber under the right circumstances (such as I'm the only person in the room, minimal lag). Once again, this doesnt factor in the time it takes to walk to Rabbit2.

16 minutes, so how long will it take to get 1000 amber:
1000 / 100 = 10 trips
10 x 16 = 160 minutes
160 / 60 (hours) = 2.6 hours

If I sold 1k Amber at:
350k: 350 / 10 = 35k per 100 amber
400k: 400 / 10 = 40k per 100 amber

16 minutes for 35k-40k worth of amber. Not only that, but I can get ten times that much in about 3 hours time. This is the FASTEST method of getting money that I know of. However..I don't do it that much because first of all:
- It's boring
- The circumstances aren't always perfect (I have lots of lag, and theres usually people in the rooms)
- Takes at least 1 Sonhi pipe to go to R3 (not that big of a deal but still)



As for Wool...

I recorded myself at 2 minutes and 40 seconds to get 25 Wool. To be perfectly fair, however, there are always going to be people in the sheep fields, there'll always be a lack of spawns, and I happened to get somewhat lucky with the amount of sheep I saw/killed. So, I will calculate my time at 3 minutes and 30 seconds instead.
Info:
- I have a wife who I use Love to in order to get to the center sheep field quickly (coords 105,97 or at least around this area)
- I'm using a PA with Flank/backstab
- I one-hit all sheep
- This is the sheep field in the Wilderness, NOT Woodlands (I didnt know there was a sheep field there D:)

For 1000 wool:
1000 / 25 = 40 trips
40 x 3.5 = 140 minutes
140 / 60 = 2.3 hours

Wool goes for 8k/25, but 1k usually goes for 360k, which is 9k per 25 wool (360 / 25).

Summing up:
13k/15k worth of Ginko wood per 14 minutes and 30 seconds
9k worth of Wool per 3 minutes and 30 seconds (technically 8k, but this counts if I was going to get 1k)
35-40k worth of Amber per 16 minutes

7-8 hours to get 1k Wood for 400-450k
2-3 hours to get 1k Wool for 360k
2-3 hours to get 1k Amber for 350-400k

Best way of getting money in this case is either gathering Wool or Amber.

Still going to calculate gathering Ore (I'm an Adept miner)

Feel free to correct my math. I'm horrible at it, and it shows.
AceoStar
Only difference is that with time you start to earn more money by increasing your woodcutting skill. Aside from stats, which you wont gain very fast soloing, your amber skill stays the same. Except when you get up to rab 3 it'll slow down again until you get the stats to effectively solo it as well.

There was a time when I could get 1k wood in 35-45min, but I guess that is long past gone these days.
Mirado
Well, it's also one of the hardest way to get money, as you HAVE to be a Chung Ryong who is Rabbit2. You can almost be out of Rab2 after spending 99 experience.

But yeah, I've been slowly leveling up a warrior to do just this. Not only is it fast, it's also relativly fun for me.
AllyGator
I have long used Rabbit 2 as my primary source of cash. I always have at least one fighter in that cave. I deliberately killed my rogue many times over just to stay in that cave till she made legendary gemcutter! Now she is Il san. I kept my warrior there till she maxed the cave and maxed experience then bought to R3. Now I've got another maxed rogue cleaning up in there.

I've got 2 legendary weavers, one of them a GM tailor and the other a GM carpenter, adept minder and GM woodcutter.

I haven't done the detailed analysis that GrandCross has done but he's confirmed what I have long known, rabbit 2 is the best amber source in the whole game! It's a bit tougher for a rogue than a warrior to efficiently gather ambers there but there isn't that much difference.

If you haven't got a wool post (someone you can ring to or approach), then gathering wool isn't the way to go. Recently the sheep spawn in Woodlands has gotten so slow it isn't worth going there anymore.

Rabbit 2 is the way to go hands down.

My next goal is to get my R3 buff enough to solo mantis and ogre caves then lobster! In the meantime, my il san rogue does duty gathering dark ambers.
dondon
QUOTE(Grand Cross @ Mar 14 2007, 03:18 AM) [snapback]28886[/snapback]

but 1k usually goes for 360k, which is 14.4k per 25 wool (360 / 25).


You mean 9k/25 wools.

Anyway.. I don't really know about Rabbit2, but as a talented miner, it takes me about.. 7.5 minutes roughly to earn 25 of one type of ore (which means I deposit all my ores whenever I get 25 of a type; ie: 25 poor, 1 med, 1 high - and I'll still deposit it)

I don't know about ore price rate now.. Some says it's 6/8/12/12, but others, sometimes see people buying at 6/8/15/15. So.. You do the math, for I suck at it =P
Flowerr
People need to bring smelting/smithing back so more people buy ore
Ffyll
The use of the love rings significantly increases abilities to deposit for wool and mining, and a lesser extent wooding, because it's a smaller walk to a grove.

I don't know how far it is to walk from a grove to an axe vendor. However, you can have moe axes than mining picks with you at any one time since you need just one slot spare for wood, yet you need 4 slots for metal and double the number for tools. And, of course, wooling requires no tools so there's never a need to walk to a shop.

Vortextk
What I'd like to know is if the nagnang woodlands will ever be the same. After it was changed, I tried it out, and cleared the entire field by myself and waited for a spawn. Loving the event right now because for the first time I can actually get experience and some money instead of either doing a boring craft/gather, or boss hunting(which I've hardly done anyway).

Two questions. First, in rabbit2, do you just normally kill before they can run?(I.E., when low health, I have slight problems with that at low rage in rab3) And two, when do you think a warrior is prepared to kill quickly enough to make a decent amount of money in rabbit3?(Chung ryong)
Grand Cross
QUOTE(Vortextk @ Mar 14 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]28948[/snapback]

Two questions. First, in rabbit2, do you just normally kill before they can run?(I.E., when low health, I have slight problems with that at low rage in rab3) And two, when do you think a warrior is prepared to kill quickly enough to make a decent amount of money in rabbit3?(Chung ryong)


I'm only in the rooms where there are Golden rabbits and Mad hares. The Giant rabbits are the ones that run at low health, and they take longer to kill, so I don't bother with them. (Though when I do go to higher levels in case there's too many people in an area, I more often then not kill the Giant rabbits before they have a chance to run at R3)

I don't really know about the second question, since I don't have a character strong enough to do any decent soloing/gathering in Rabbit3. However, overkill is the key. I'd say at least R5 would do the trick. (also, I'd imagine you'd need to buy some Brown potions or something since the rabbits will probably do a great deal of damage)

Oh, and here's another trick: If your base mana is R5 in this case, just go to the Sunset weaver (or whereever), and go to the Raise mana menu. She will automatically restore your mana fully. (This also works with Vita if you're low on it) So..no need for pipes.

QUOTE
I deliberately killed my rogue many times over just to stay in that cave till she made legendary gemcutter!


This is exactly what I plan on doing myself - another goal of mine that I'll attempt over the summer :)
Vortextk
Didn't know there were rooms of rabbits that DON'T run. Rabbit just isn't my big hunting spot =P Are they the same rabbits/rooms in rabbit3? And if so, which? I lost my wooling spot for now and after the event is over, rab3 seems like a decent place to go for some cash.
Grand Cross
QUOTE(Vortextk @ Mar 14 2007, 11:52 AM) [snapback]28957[/snapback]

Didn't know there were rooms of rabbits that DON'T run. Rabbit just isn't my big hunting spot =P Are they the same rabbits/rooms in rabbit3? And if so, which? I lost my wooling spot for now and after the event is over, rab3 seems like a decent place to go for some cash.


Well you've got Golden rabbits, Mad hares, and Giant rabbits in Rab2, and Hops, Thumps, and Fluffs in Rab3. I've only been in Rabbit3 ONCE with my Baekho, and I get owned in there since I'm a puny C2 - so I don't know about the enemy behavior in there, the enemies in the rooms, or even rabbit ambushes for that matter :(

Here's what I CAN say about the Rabbit2 rooms though:

Mythic Waters (Entrance) - Golden rabbits
Mythic Owsla - Golden rabbits, Mad hares
Golden Warren - Golden rabbits, Mad hares
Hare Depression - Golden rabbits, Mad hares
Rabbit Hole - Golden rabbits (uncommon here), Mad hares, Giant rabbits
Hare Summit - Bottom half of this map has incredibly little Rabbit ambushes (because the top part of it is the sentry drop area), but there's Golden rabbits, Mad hares, Giant rabbits and the sentries
Rabbit Leap - Golden rabbits, Mad hares, Giant rabbits, Item/key boss
Foraged fields - Golden rabbits, Mad hares, Giant rabbits, Item/key boss

Only two enemies that run at low health are Giant rabbits and the sentries.

There are three types of Rabbit ambushes (Rab2):
1st type - 4 Golden rabbits
2nd type - 3 Mad hares
3rd type - Item/key boss, 4(?) Giant rabbits, 4(?) Mad hares (I havent really spawned too many of these)

If anyone wants to give any information regarding Rabbit3, please do, because I'd like to know myself. :(
Henry
fastest way to make money - scam
LEET
QUOTE(BIOFo @ Mar 14 2007, 10:16 PM) [snapback]29008[/snapback]

fastest way to make money - scam

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AllyGator
The largest rabbit in all 3 levels of the cave runs. If you are max or near max you can kill them before they run. If you are a rogue you can either amnesia them or you can drain them when they run. Another reason why rogues and warriors are about equal in that cave.

I think you need to be an R5 and tons of vita before you tackle rabbit3. My R3 with 19k vita can handle Rabbit3 but only 1 at a time and chomping on livers. sad.gif
Vortextk
EE would definitely help in rab3...il-san doesn't cut it all too well. They just run away too often, even on like r3-r4. Not much testing I can do since 1/4-3/4 of the rabbits I attack never actually die =P
koinu
=) I wish someone would post how long it takes to get dark ambers since a lot of users like to go DA hunting to get money. I've heard of warriors ee san + that can Da hunt faster than any class. so in this case...would dark amber hunting be the fastest?
KamiKazi
Know what'd be neat?

If kru made a special arena, you could enter (seperated by level/stats) and if are killed you lost x amount of money. But like, no more than 5%.

And it'd be even better if... even if you have money in your bank, it automatically gives it to you when you enter the arena.


Now THAT would be a fun way to get money!
Rhew
Koinu, back a long long time ago I was an Il san poet (about 160/120) and my husband was an Ee san R5.

In 91 ogres we could generally pull in about 200 dark ambers an hour. I was master gemcutter and would make about 100k per batch. Including selling the Tarnished ambers, that would pull in about 228k/hour.

It's probably alot faster nowadays, with polearms and maging and stuff. tongue.gif
AllyGator
It takes my C2 rogue about 30 to 40 minutes to get 100 ambers from rabbit2. It takes my C4 Il san rogue close to or a bit more than an hour to get 100 dark ambers. It depends on how many others are hunting in the mantis/ogre caves. It takes my sam mage about the same amount of time as my Il san rogue to gather dark ambers. It takes the mage and the rogue much longer in rabbit 3 mainly because the traps are hard to find and the rabbits run.
PoeticTruth
so... hunt people for money. Is that what you're suggesting Kami?
Chifchi
QUOTE
Didn't know there were rooms of rabbits that DON'T run. Rabbit just isn't my big hunting spot =P Are they the same rabbits/rooms in rabbit3? And if so, which? I lost my wooling spot for now and after the event is over, rab3 seems like a decent place to go for some cash.

in rabbit 3 all rabbits run except bosses thats why i prefer rabbit 2 where the rabbits spawn all in same spot not in the + pattern, that way i kill 4 at a time swinging to their backs at the same time ((dont remember room name))
Ace
Woodcutting is way slower now with the new system, which is sad because the new system made it a lot easier to do without getting carpal tunnel. On the old system as a master cutter I used to get somewhere around 2k wood a day, spending about 2 to 3 hours. Now it takes me several days to get 1k at about the same time spent per day. Because of this I don't cut wood anymore. ><
Unknown
QUOTE(PoeticTruth @ Mar 15 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]29131[/snapback]

so... hunt people for money. Is that what you're suggesting Kami?



Personally, a game I play now is based off of Realms, there where you go out on Battle grounds and fight and if you get kills you get money small amounts, but it adds up. Not saying you should lose any money when you die, you should just lose like dura on your items. This would be the greatest way of making money, because I don't know why you would play a game if you don't like PvP or RvR in this case.

So yes, Hunt people for money.
PureLight
IMO Mining is the way to go IF you can find someone to buy your ore off you all the time OR you smelt and smith. Here is the breakdown that I have.
With a Master miner I can gather around this 12.5/25/10/2 in about 4 minutes including transit time. If I do that for an hour I can get in 12 runs in an hour without straining that's 150/300/125/25 giving myself an aditional 5 high and 1 very high for the time I have leftover.

If I sold that I could get 36/40/60/15 assuming I sell for 6/8/12/15 that's 151k an hour mining.

My friend has a legendary smelter, master smith with a 12/25/10/1 load of ore he can easily get about 20k smelting and smithing generally ranging between 18 and 23k. If I were to get same skill as him assuming same numbers as before I could get 240k an hour any time of day without having to look for people to sell my results to.

A Legendary smelter (only thing I have numbers for), master miner who gets the same loads as I do can smelt each load and get an average of 25 mixed metal per load. With 12 loads coming in an hour that's 300 metal an hour, Mixed metal can sell for 700/1k 1k takes 3.3 hours 700/3.3= 212k/hour If you get lucky and sell for 750k/k you make 227/hour

Lets break this down
Just mining (master miner):151k/hour
Mining+Smelting(Master+Legendary):212k/hour
Mining+Smelting+Smithing(Master+Legendary+Master):240k/hour

Using other people's numbers:
GrandCross (woodcutting):50k/hour
GrandCross (reg Amber hunting):153k/hour (But also is maxed rab2 meaning no stat up)
GrandCross (Wooling IF you bother getting 1k): 156k/hour
GrandCross (Wooling 1 hour only): 139k (Will never get faster)
Rhew (Dark amber w/ partner): 228k/hour split 2 ways:114k/hour
AllyGator (reg ambers):80k/hour
AllyGator (dark amber):90k/hour
Ace (Woodcutting): 160k/hour
PureLight (Dark amber (No partner)) 130k/hour(Cave to myself)
PureLight (Dark amber (w/ partner)) 260k/hour(Cave to ourselves) after split 130k/hour
Vortextk
Sounds great, but as any other skill, you need to waste half your life getting anywhere with it(and losing potential money along the way as you use your ore/metal instead of selling). Thanks for the numbers though, always wondered if smithing was worth it. *Edit* Oh and I have to say, your results for smelting and then smelting + smithing is off because that's obviously longer than an hour since you have to refine and manufacture your goods. Not sure on the exact length that would add, but some, anyhow.

If I had the woodlands from a month+ prior, I'd say that 139k estimate is way off. Minimum 200k an hour when I had it to myself if not 240k+(I got close to 1k an hour). Of course with it now being absolutely horrible comparing it alongside it's former self...I've given up wooling and have gone on to woodcutting. Extremely slow(as I'm ALMOST talented), but atleast it's easy and for most purposes, afk, lol. All I pay attention to is that I have an axe in hand, am not full on wood, am facing a tree, and no one is talking to me. That, atleast, beats any other skill because you must put a bit of concentration into them(or amber hunting).
PureLight
QUOTE(Vortextk @ Apr 10 2007, 11:17 PM) [snapback]31099[/snapback]

Sounds great, but as any other skill, you need to waste half your life getting anywhere with it(and losing potential money along the way as you use your ore/metal instead of selling). Thanks for the numbers though, always wondered if smithing was worth it. *Edit* Oh and I have to say, your results for smelting and then smelting + smithing is off because that's obviously longer than an hour since you have to refine and manufacture your goods. Not sure on the exact length that would add, but some, anyhow.

If I had the woodlands from a month+ prior, I'd say that 139k estimate is way off. Minimum 200k an hour when I had it to myself if not 240k+(I got close to 1k an hour). Of course with it now being absolutely horrible comparing it alongside it's former self...I've given up wooling and have gone on to woodcutting. Extremely slow(as I'm ALMOST talented), but atleast it's easy and for most purposes, afk, lol. All I pay attention to is that I have an axe in hand, am not full on wood, am facing a tree, and no one is talking to me. That, atleast, beats any other skill because you must put a bit of concentration into them(or amber hunting).


I neglected the time it takes to smelt and smith because the time spent doing these things is negligable, I can smelt and smith an hour worth of ore in under 10 minutes so at least to me it doesn't matter, If I smelt before depositing the ore I can get the same results in an hour and 5 mins.
Leonis
Whats the mining rate for someone who just started?
Vortextk
K I wasn't sure how fast you can actually smelt/smith because I don't do any skills currently except woodcutting. Got EE with poems and any other character I get ee will get it the same way or not at all =P
PIEMINISTER
Nice post Grand Cross, but I think you should take into account how long it took you to actually get a maxed rage 3 into the equation aswell, people can pretty much start woodcutting out of the gate, and wooling effectivley within a short while.

Some other goods options for making money is Rabbit races, I've made a lot of money (millions) over a long period of time.

Someone mentioned scamming... (This is waaaaaay of topic) and I was actually thinking of that maybe 2 months ago when someone was trying to scam me, I couldn't help but laugh his attempt was pitiful, not to glorify scamming or anything but back in the day there were some GENIUS scams that had tons of preperation and thought put into them (I never condoned it, and never did it but I was always amazed at the complexity some of these people had with their scams, where as today they are the complete opposite.)
PureLight
QUOTE(Leonis @ Apr 11 2007, 06:35 AM) [snapback]31120[/snapback]

Whats the mining rate for someone who just started?

Decent, you can get 25 poor and an assortment of others in 12 mins if you are quick about it, the problem is you max out on poor ore before anything else until about skilled or talented and that means you are making less money than if you are skilled+, but then again It's easy to get at LEAST adept miner becuase it's just repeating the same keystrokes for me dd, over dd, over dd,over dd, df,dd,dd, also Mining can be faster because player skill is taken into account, with woodcutting anyone who is adept will cut at the same rate as any other adept, with mining, you put someone who hasn't practiced onto a adept char and put someone who has the person who practices will get their ore FAR faster than the one who is new to it.

PureLight
Zfire
This is some really good information. I will do a chart for master woodcutting today. Maybe Amber hunting as an Ee mage..
Zfire
Okay! Master wood cutter here!


I did 5 trips.

Average time is : 6 Minutes 35 Seconds


Thats.. 211.66 minutes to get 1000 wood.. thats 211.66/60 ( hours ) thats 3.52 so thats 3 Hours and 31 minutes ( because .52 is 52% of 60 minutes)

Comes out to 113k/hour about...
Sxymail
My best gathering method is dark amber hunting in 91 mantis or ogre.

I gather 50-60 Dark ambers solo per 15 minutes plus tarnished. However the tarnished covers repairs, so I just don't count those.

Thats about 200k an hour if I was bored enough to do it and sold in large batches, and I don't have to share since I'm doing this alone.

However a high powered Ee/Sam rogue is the only path that could probably do this well.

I'm doubt a comparable warrior at the same stats could do the same, due to the fact that rogues can continually LS for consistently high damage on black mantis. Plus I use bladestorm and snare for higher efficiency. A warrior couldn't vita with the same consistency, damage, and safety that a rogue can.

I don't have a warrior though, so these are just assumptions based on my thoughts. Correct me if I'm wrong =P

But yea, dark ambers are currently the fastest way I can gather to make money, but I'm usually too lazy, haha

Sxy
AllyGator
QUOTE(Zfire @ Apr 13 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]31315[/snapback]

Okay! Master wood cutter here!
I did 5 trips.

Average time is : 6 Minutes 35 Seconds
Thats.. 211.66 minutes to get 1000 wood.. thats 211.66/60 ( hours ) thats 3.52 so thats 3 Hours and 31 minutes ( because .52 is 52% of 60 minutes)

Comes out to 113k/hour about...


I just tested this in totem time with my master woodcutter and it's almost precisely the same.
AllyGator
Skill Information

I've just updated this page. Check my math where I've had to calculate time for 1k gathered. I have horrible math skills.

I have not included prices because that varies with the amount you sell, the buyer and the market.
Mercenary
Wooling is my favorite way of making money.
Anson
Hi, I wonder how much dark ambers an Ee warrior can get in 1 hour by soloing in rabbit 3?

My warrior currently is Il r6, but he only gathers about 30 dark ambers in 15 minutes...it's slow. I also have an Ee rogue. Would it be faster if I use my rogue to gather dark ambers by soloing in 90 mantis? Any suggestions? Thanks!
AllyGator
Yesterday my Il san rogue, c4 (but I only used c3) took 1 hr 45 min to gather 100 dark amber in 91 mantis. She also maxed on tarnished for 12k cash.
Tynan
QUOTE(Anson @ Apr 22 2007, 09:29 PM) [snapback]32150[/snapback]

Hi, I wonder how much dark ambers an Ee warrior can get in 1 hour by soloing in rabbit 3?

My warrior currently is Il r6, but he only gathers about 30 dark ambers in 15 minutes...it's slow. I also have an Ee rogue. Would it be faster if I use my rogue to gather dark ambers by soloing in 90 mantis? Any suggestions? Thanks!


Rabbit3 is terrible, that is why. tongue.gif Things run!

91 Mantis is the best, in my opinion. I am an ee san warrior who is capable of raging to 5 alone, rage after rage, and raging to 5 I can pull about 50 Dark Ambers every 15 minutes, assuming both caves are not crowded.

This equates to about 200K per hour when everything is sold.
Sxymail
i guess that answers my question if warriors can solo darks as fast as rogues, haha
Tynan
QUOTE(Sxymail @ Apr 23 2007, 10:26 AM) [snapback]32182[/snapback]

i guess that answers my question if warriors can solo darks as fast as rogues, haha


The thing is that warriors will earn crapall ambers on R1-R2 (relatively speaking), but then really take off on R3-R5/R6. Rogues consistently kill things quickly for the whole Cunning, and as you mentioned, can deal with the black/white mantises better, via traps and LS.

Where warriors shine is when a large clump is present. On R5 I can walk to the middle of a patch of 8 or 9, stand still, swing, and clear them all very quickly. This is where warriors make up the loss in single kill speed.

The best thing a warrior can do is to remember to leave the black/white mantises alone unless they can kill them in no more than 10s, as it is simply more efficient to move on. For me, this means I must be on R5/R6, else I literally just walk away, even if I damaged them a bit as I killed others - not worth the time. For certain subpath warriors, notably Barbarians with Insult and the insane war axe, they can afford to kill them on SR4.

Oh, and one thing - I have 880K Vitality and while this does not mean I can constantly Berserk or Whirlwind like rogues can constantly LS, I have been known to Whirlwind white/dark mantises on lower Rages, especially when I set up two for overflow. Weaker warriors cannot do this, but I regenerate so much Vitality that I can pull it off once or twice per Rage. wink.gif

Ah, and one final thing - on my second Rage, before I deposit my 100 Dark ambers and sell my 100 Tarnished ambers, I do rage to R6, as I go to town and am safe, anyway. This results in my second Rage sometimes being able to bring in over 60 Dark Ambers, solo, if I am lucky, as things dies in 2-3 swings. Of course, I usually have to leave and depo before the Rage ends, as I run out of space. smile.gif

I think my record was 63 or something. I do not remember how many Tarnished ambers. Still, my usual average is 45-55, the low end being a result of other amber hunters making the mantises scarce.
Zfire
QUOTE(AllyGator @ Apr 21 2007, 07:33 AM) [snapback]31986[/snapback]

Skill Information

I've just updated this page. Check my math where I've had to calculate time for 1k gathered. I have horrible math skills.

I have not included prices because that varies with the amount you sell, the buyer and the market.



Your page says 6 horus and 31 minutes for 1k wood... My math only says 3 Hours and 31 minutes..


Fixed it ~ Ally
Grand Cross
QUOTE(PIEMINISTER @ Apr 11 2007, 11:28 PM) [snapback]31178[/snapback]

Nice post Grand Cross, but I think you should take into account how long it took you to actually get a maxed rage 3 into the equation aswell, people can pretty much start woodcutting out of the gate, and wooling effectivley within a short while.


For me, it took about roughly 2 months of being on Nexus about 10-15 hours a week on average. I wasn't really crazy on hunting though, but I did try to save up money as much as possible (in order to buy the items needed to get to Rage3).

GrandCross, however, was my starting character. If someone else wanted to make a Rage3 for Rabbit2 amber hunting alone, I'd say it'd take maybe 3-4 weeks, depending on how rich they are and if they're relatively lucky to get hunts/leeches to get 99 quickly.


By the way, I left Nexus for now. Finals are coming up and I've got other plans to waste my summer vacation. No more calculations from me.
Brant
I think that this topic pertains to the lower stat/rank players, although, my idea can affect players that are anywhere form level 99+.

I have found that being a 99+ poet (That is atleast Assassin 1) can make a decent profit on soloing vortex bosses.

This is form of making money is semi-popular, but from a far, might seem like its not very profitable.

My il san poet collects anywhere from 20 regs to 50 regs from a boss. 20-40 darks, and generally 20 whites.

Yes the Reg. and Dark are low numbers, but gathering 20 white ambers from a boss (I'll say it takes about 10-15 mins depending on the number of 'ARGGGS') is decent money if you add it up over time. When I solo bosses, I generally craft the ambers myself, making lower profit than if I were to sell them.

Also, if you're a 99+ rogue with Cunning(or SP fury), you can usually gather 100 dark ambers in about 2 cunnings, maybe a little more or less.

100 darks goes for about 85-90k and say you do this for 3 hours, you will have made 180k per hour for 3 hours making you a total of 540k if you sell the ambers. (If you craft them, and are Master+ gem cutter, thats even more profit)


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I'll go a little off topic here and cover some money making strategies that do not include gathering. I'll go ahead and list this in order from least chance of money lost (Gamble factor) to most dangerous.

Buy/Sell-- Many people make a decent ammount of money (over time) by buying an item for less than its community value, and selling it for more. If you have a little bit of money, you'll have to start with cheap items, (lvl 50 hand items, 95 weapons). Soon you'll have enough to invest in somthing that is worth more money. Over time ( Depends on how frequently you do this) you will be making 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 coin profits, maybe even more. You have to have patience in doing this, and in most situations, its very safe because unless there is an event where the item's price goes down, or there is money inflation, you'll be safe in doing this.

Boss Hunting-- Boss hunting was my first source of significant income. Yes, some say there are ways to make boss drops become more frequent, although (and I agree) they are never 100% accurate. Try to focus on caves that yeild items that are worth lots of money. Also, don't be afraid to boss hunt in big groups. Yes if you get a drop it will be less money because of splitting it, but also remember that the boss will die faster, and yeild more drops over time. Because boss drops and boss hunting groups have become much more frequent, the profit has decreased over time, but is still VERY nice money.


Gambling (Merchant)-- Notice that this is covering Merchant gambling, rather than /roll. That is because Merchant gambling is decently safer than /roll. Many people knows how the process works. A Merchant guide casts the gamble spell on you, and you either win or lose. Note: When gambling with a Merchant, remember that they may charge to host a gamble between you and another player. Warning: As it stands now, you should only gamble with a Merchant guide (They are the only ones that should have the spell anyway). Common sense tells you that this source of making money is very risky, as there is a chance of loosing everyting you bet, or doubling what you bet. --- If you decide to gamble big, you can become very wealthy, or very broke. (I'll be honest. Making big gambles is the only thing that makes my heart race in this game-- I gambled 20,000,000 coins last night because I was bored). Now I'm not telling you to gamble huge, but yes, I gambled 20,000,000 and ended up with 40,000,000 coins.(True story)

Gambling(/Roll)-- This potential source of making money is best to do with close friends, and maybe even well aquanted clan mates. There are multiple strategies in making money such as : Gambling with one other person, say 100k gamble. You have a 50% chance to win, and if you do, you double up. Also, you can gamble in groups(I've done up to 5 people, personally). This way, say 5 people want to gamble 100k. That makes the pot 500k, a 400% profit, compared to a 100% profit in a two person gamble. This also means you have a 1-in-5 chance of winning, lowering you odds of winning. It all depends how big of a gamble you want to take. Just be VERY careful who you gamble with, and how much you gamble with. ALSO: Make sure everyone gambling knows the rules by which you are gambling. IF you gamble high ammount (not recommened in /roll gambles), make sure you take SS's of everyone involved in the gamble agreeing to the rules of the gamble.


I hope this can help those of you that are interested in making good money in Nexus. These are only a few of the most popular ways to make money, but not the only ones.


-Brant
Toshimaru
How I started making money was a true risk.. I was levelling and selling the Acorns to the Butcher at the same time.. Grinding squirrels till about 20.. from level 1.. Its not fun.. =P Had about... 20k when I hit level 20, and thought eh.. might as well gamble 10k for fun..

I won.. sweeet... Bought an Ilbon knife for 15k and sold it for 30k.. WooT makin profit...

Bought a Whisper bracelet for 30k ( Super Lucky ) sold it for 50k, Bwahahahaha!

And It keeps going and going... Yes it takes time, but Hey, It works! By the end of my second day playing, I was level 40 with about 200k.
NirvanaMan
You guys ever try soloing vortex bosses on poets? I get about 100 ambers 80 darks and 20 white in about 20 minutes not bad for little effort
AllyGator
QUOTE(NirvanaMan @ May 8 2007, 09:17 AM) [snapback]33401[/snapback]

You guys ever try soloing vortex bosses on poets? I get about 100 ambers 80 darks and 20 white in about 20 minutes not bad for little effort


I tried this but I am not a good enough poet. Maybe I don't have enough mana to last long or perhaps I don't have reflexes good enough to keep casting HB in time. Anyway this is a fast way to die for me. I have seen some poets do very well with this. Cashel is expert at it.
Vortextk
Could I get some info on how this is done? For my BB more than me since I don't even have a poet, I really don't like playing a poet, but it would be nice to know and maybe he'd like to solo some.
NirvanaMan
The hardest part to it would be getting past first room if you're alone (I find this the hardest at least) once you hit second room go for the third cast harden body (remember boss likes to approach right on top of you) now go between rooms and imediately cast barrier if you do it right the boss should stay on top of you now wait for some monsters to come and hope they surround you without letting the boss off you they'll try swinging at you but since you have harden body they'll only hit the boss he'll die he'll call his guardians they'll die you pick up easy
AllyGator
QUOTE(Vortextk @ May 9 2007, 06:52 AM) [snapback]33482[/snapback]

Could I get some info on how this is done? For my BB more than me since I don't even have a poet, I really don't like playing a poet, but it would be nice to know and maybe he'd like to solo some.


A poet gets into the second room or deeper and stands next to the doorway so that he can step back and forth. Get the boss to spawn on top of you and he will summon his minions. Keep harden body on and cast scourge on the boss. The minions will attack you but they also beat the dickens out of the boss too. Eventually the boss will die . . . you may need to fascinate a few other creatures to fight for you if you run out of minions. In the meantime you can gather up all of the ambers dropped by the minions. If the boss does not spawn on top of you, move back to the other room. Go back and forth till it is on top of you. I have no idea what to do if it summons you.
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