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LouisVuitton
post Apr 21 2013, 09:00 PM
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basically guldar said any chongun caught leeching will be kicked out.
my thoughts: he's an idiot. look at people like lepetitchou who has a chongun guide alt but sells leeches..look at Berlin who leeches ALL of her characters with her chongun.. yeah you can go c.ryong but right now when the game only has 250-300 players online max Guldar is being a complete idiot. Hey Guldar, if leeching is sooo bad how about you make a warrior, & try to "hunt" him to rage 5-6 (this is when people will actually let warriors into the group) pants on the head move.


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post Apr 21 2013, 09:48 PM
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I wouldn't say Guldar is an idiot. As someone that has played as both a Chongun and a Barbarian, both of which have anti-leeching rules, I don't see the issue. This is what they believe is best for the path, the communities view of the path, and the members of the path. I know that, at least for the Barbarians, there have even been recent votes in regards to leeching. Even a majority of the path agreed that they didn't want to be seen as a group of leechers. There were of course people that spoke out otherwise, and made some very good points, but the decision was made to keep the rule the same.

In regards to your final comment: "Hey Guldar, if leeching is sooo bad how about you make a warrior, & try to "hunt" him to rage 5-6."

It's not that bad. Anyone that knew me saw me go from 99-EE san in the matter of 3 days. Admittedly this was during wisdom star, but realistically without wisdom star it may have taken 2-4 weeks, accounting for a reduced number of people hunting. I didn't get leeched. Pre-wisdom star I soloed in rooster 1 constantly. As soon as I could, I soloed in Rooster 2 for hours at a time. Did it suck? Sure it did, but I did it. I spent hours upon hours of saging and grinding, just looking for a hunt that never came.

Leeching is taking the easy route, and these paths probably don't want to be seen as those type of people. I don't believe they are saying leeching is bad for everyone, but they don't want it for their respective paths.
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post Apr 21 2013, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (Scruffy @ Apr 21 2013, 09:48 PM) *
It's not that bad. Anyone that knew me saw me go from 99-EE san in the matter of 3 days. Admittedly this was during wisdom star, but realistically without wisdom star it may have taken 2-4 weeks, accounting for a reduced number of people hunting. I didn't get leeched. Pre-wisdom star I soloed in rooster 1 constantly. As soon as I could, I soloed in Rooster 2 for hours at a time. Did it suck? Sure it did, but I did it. I spent hours upon hours of saging and grinding, just looking for a hunt that never came.


Uh, there is no way in the nine hells of Satan you can go from level 99 to Ee San stats by soloing Rooster 1 for 4 weeks.

I know this because BACK IN THE DAY WHEN ALL THIS CRAP ACTUALLY MATTERED, LrdDrkMoon only ever soloed, and like everyone else in the game at the time who was considered a power hunter, he hunted somewhere around 3-4 hours a day.

He is the first one to cast Rage 5 and Rage 6. It took him two years to get there, soloing mythic caves (because that's all there was back then; no vortex, no mug island, no woodlands, etc). You can attempt to argue that there are stronger weapons nowadays, people can get rage easier, etc etc but the spawn rate of mythic caves have not changed so it makes little difference.

As for this anti-leeching rule..........one would think there is bigger issues to focus on, like the lack of players in general.

In all truth, things like Wisdom Stars that allow people to go from 99 to Ee san stats in a weekend ruined the achievements people had previously made in regards to how long it took a player to get stats. DM sat for years in the top #10 of Warriors when I originally quit, and he was just a little over 1 million vita with Rage 6 mana. Now getting those stats is no big accomplishment for new players.

As an oldie who worked his ass off for what were once considered epic stats, I am here to tell you that hunting in Nexus is pretty much impossible to enjoy if you don't have anyone to party with. If you can manage to find fresh blood and get them to want to play this bloody game, I don't see the problem with helping them catch up to you in stats so you can play the game together.

That's just my two-bits though. The Chonguns have long since been a path where the leadership cares more about their personal glory than what is actually good for the community. Though you can say that for most of the subpaths and clans, too.

When I quit Nexus, I played Ragnarok Online for a few years. I helped build an epic PVP super-clan that took over nearly all the castles on the server, and we accomplished it by recruiting people, giving them the best equipment for leveling they could use, and leeching them up the levels. That's the smart thing to do, and maybe if the subpaths like Chonguns helped new recruits level up people would give a [Content removed] about this game again.

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Even a majority of the path agreed that they didn't want to be seen as a group of leechers.


Sure, better to be seen as a bunch of self-righteous twats who kick people out of their club if they try to make the game tolerable to new players.

If I had been Elder of the Chonguns I would have organized a Chongun militia and assigned members to units who would hunt together, and rewarded them for doing so. I had a whole system planned out that included requesting special legend marks and items so we could recruit Poets, Rogues, and Mages into the militia units and give them special perks. That's what the Chonguns ought to have done, and I proposed it many, many times but we all know how that scenario with me and them went down.


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post Apr 21 2013, 11:45 PM
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I wonder how Guldar's rogue got its stats?


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post Apr 21 2013, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE (Scruffy @ Apr 21 2013, 09:48 PM) *
I wouldn't say Guldar is an idiot. As someone that has played as both a Chongun and a Barbarian, both of which have anti-leeching rules, I don't see the issue. This is what they believe is best for the path, the communities view of the path, and the members of the path. I know that, at least for the Barbarians, there have even been recent votes in regards to leeching. Even a majority of the path agreed that they didn't want to be seen as a group of leechers. There were of course people that spoke out otherwise, and made some very good points, but the decision was made to keep the rule the same.

In regards to your final comment: "Hey Guldar, if leeching is sooo bad how about you make a warrior, & try to "hunt" him to rage 5-6."

It's not that bad. Anyone that knew me saw me go from 99-EE san in the matter of 3 days. Admittedly this was during wisdom star, but realistically without wisdom star it may have taken 2-4 weeks, accounting for a reduced number of people hunting. I didn't get leeched. Pre-wisdom star I soloed in rooster 1 constantly. As soon as I could, I soloed in Rooster 2 for hours at a time. Did it suck? Sure it did, but I did it. I spent hours upon hours of saging and grinding, just looking for a hunt that never came.

Leeching is taking the easy route, and these paths probably don't want to be seen as those type of people. I don't believe they are saying leeching is bad for everyone, but they don't want it for their respective paths.


Leeching the easy route? It's the smart route.

Hard to believe anyone on Nexus has time for a real life, but there are a few of us!

Leeching is the only thing keeping the newer/low level players around. It's damn near impossible to find a hunt these days unless you have friends with characters at the same level/stats or you stand around saging for hours trying to get a group.

I sat in Flower 3 a couple weeks ago for nearly an entire week, and there was a single group that came from 6-8pm each night -- other than that, not a single other group. And this is flower 3 we're talking about.. the fastest place to get EXP from Il san to EE.. So fast that most people stay until they are EE both ways.

Yeah, there are places you can get hunts, but leeching is the most efficient way to get stats these days. That goes for everyone, even sam and sa sans.

Look at the majority of the groups in Vortex 3 -- it's usually like 10 people, 5 of them grouped, the others helping to get the other 5 (their alts) exp.

Hell, I whispered a poet the other day to see if she'd like to hunt, and she was leeching her weaker poet with her buffer poet. That's how pathetic things are now days.




So yeah, the leeching policy has been taking way too far. People want to be able to play the game, with their friends if possible, but people like Guldar let their personal opinions and ego get in the way of the rest of the community enjoying the company of each other. I don't mean to call Guldar out specifically, because he's not the only one. For so long so many have spoken out against those who hold positions of power within the game because of how they use the power.

This game is so fragmented, even more so within the players that are left at this point, that it's just pathetic.


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post Apr 22 2013, 01:51 PM
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The public sentiment against leeching used to make sense, back when a person who wanted to hunt legitimately could always find a hunt. I was able to actually hunt, in groups, up to Enchanted stats, never getting leeched. If I wanted to hunt, it never took more than 30 minutes or so to find a good group. These days it's hard to find a group below Ee San, and nearly impossible below 99. Even as a Mage I'd have a hard time finding a hunt right now, and if I did find one it would be Courtyard, which I hate. Leeching is the only practical way to get to the point where you can actually hunt now. I'd love to see that change with more players, but until it does, leeching's just a fact, and fighting it is pointless.
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post Apr 22 2013, 02:08 PM
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This game would be [Content removed]ing dead without leeching. Guldar just has some [Content removed]ty attitude, and wants to micromanage everyone in his path.

Why not let the particular player decide?

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post Apr 22 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (Hijack @ Apr 22 2013, 02:08 PM) *
This game would be [Content removed]ing dead without leeching. Guldar just has some [Content removed]ty attitude, and wants to micromanage everyone in his path.

Why not let the particular player decide?

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I hate to be "that guy," but the player does get to decide. These rules aren't exactly hidden to potentials. They know that joining the path means no leeching or being leeched. They aren't surprised by that, and that's their choice. Why join a path, knowing what their rules are, just to say that you don't want to follow those rules? It's like coming into Nexus, swearing left and right, and then complaining that you want to be able to swear. It was your choice to come into the game, knowing the rules (Level 5 and it's stated directly to you via. quest,) and now you want to change those rules. It's just silly.
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post Apr 22 2013, 07:47 PM
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Its always 1 step forward 2 steps back with this game. no wonder its dead.


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post Apr 22 2013, 10:24 PM
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lol who the [Content removed] cares


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post Apr 22 2013, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (Doctor @ Apr 22 2013, 09:24 PM) *
lol who the [Content removed] cares

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post Apr 22 2013, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Apr 21 2013, 10:00 PM) *
Uh, there is no way in the nine hells of Satan you can go from level 99 to Ee San stats by soloing Rooster 1 for 4 weeks.

I know this because BACK IN THE DAY WHEN ALL THIS CRAP ACTUALLY MATTERED, LrdDrkMoon only ever soloed, and like everyone else in the game at the time who was considered a power hunter, he hunted somewhere around 3-4 hours a day.

He is the first one to cast Rage 5 and Rage 6. It took him two years to get there, soloing mythic caves (because that's all there was back then; no vortex, no mug island, no woodlands, etc). You can attempt to argue that there are stronger weapons nowadays, people can get rage easier, etc etc but the spawn rate of mythic caves have not changed so it makes little difference.


Chill out -- that's not what he said.

He said he used to solo Rooster 1 and Rooster 2 BEFORE Wisdom Star, at which point he hunted during WS and went from 99 to Ee san.
QUOTE (Scruffy @ Apr 21 2013, 08:48 PM) *
It's not that bad. Anyone that knew me saw me go from 99-EE san in the matter of 3 days. Admittedly this was during wisdom star, but realistically without wisdom star it may have taken 2-4 weeks, accounting for a reduced number of people hunting. I didn't get leeched. Pre-wisdom star I soloed in rooster 1 constantly. As soon as I could, I soloed in Rooster 2 for hours at a time. Did it suck? Sure it did, but I did it. I spent hours upon hours of saging and grinding, just looking for a hunt that never came.


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post Apr 22 2013, 11:52 PM
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Stop being a stupid troll. People play different characters precisely because they can do different things with them.

LePetitChou is not a Chongun, so he can leech people.

People put work into subpaths and can set the rules for entering into those subpaths.

Don't like the silly hats club? Do something else. Stop being a dumb hater.

There is no 'issue' here.

QUOTE (LouisVuitton @ Apr 21 2013, 09:00 PM) *
basically guldar said any chongun caught leeching will be kicked out.
my thoughts: he's an idiot. look at people like lepetitchou who has a chongun guide alt but sells leeches..look at Berlin who leeches ALL of her characters with her chongun.. yeah you can go c.ryong but right now when the game only has 250-300 players online max Guldar is being a complete idiot. Hey Guldar, if leeching is sooo bad how about you make a warrior, & try to "hunt" him to rage 5-6 (this is when people will actually let warriors into the group) pants on the head move.

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post Apr 23 2013, 02:10 AM
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QUOTE (Adam @ Apr 22 2013, 08:50 PM) *
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lol

someone call the [Content removed]ing internet police, one of the 30 active chongun might get kicked out if they leech someone

SOMEONE [Content removed]ING CALM ME DOWN AND HOLD ME BACK THIS IS SERIOUSLY CHANGING AND ALTERING MY DAY TO DAY LIFE IN A WAY I CANT DEAL WITH

[Content removed] GULDAR HE IS BASICALLY HITLER


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post Apr 23 2013, 10:17 AM
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Nah, Guldar is just like Obama, contradicting himself at every turn. He's leeched his own alts before, yet makes a policy not to do it. Anikara, JeranOrador, even Hanad he's done it to himself. I just think less of him now. And it's not really our job to tell him how to lead, just can point out his mistakes as he does it.

Sure, leeching is bad, if this game was well populated and actively hunting. But if you're world shouting for 5 hours a day, not finding a hunt, you waste more money looking for hunts than it would to pay for a leech. And before you say "Any experience is better than none" if I'm not maxing in 2 hours with your group, I can solo faster in woodlands, which I've been doing frequently. Just gets repetitive for little progress at that point. So leeching isn't the worst thing you can do, botting like Eggio did, is tongue.gif
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post Apr 23 2013, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (DivineChi @ Apr 23 2013, 08:17 AM) *
Nah, Guldar is just like Obama, contradicting himself at every turn.



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post Apr 23 2013, 04:19 PM
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Leeching isn't 'bad'.

Every other [Content removed]ing game has methods to get alternate characters and accounts to 'max level' in a quicker fashion except this game (besides 'leeching'). It's another way to make money and another way for people to spend it.

Holy hell, this game has so many other problems but you people still focus on the minor [Content removed] while things like THE PLAYER BASE IS BASICALLY FIVE PEOPLE WITH A BUNCH OF ACCOUNTS still exist.


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post Apr 23 2013, 06:41 PM
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post Apr 23 2013, 07:34 PM
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Honestly guys, who cares. If you want to leech, then leech. The only real reason a path would make the decision to not leech is to make sure that their members actually know how to play their path properly. But, realistically, most elders now are horrible at playing their paths whether it be hunting or PK and only know how to roleplay (being optimistic on the latter).

But realistically, if you want to leech, just don't get caught?


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