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Gerdi
post Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM
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Why aren't they banning it and the people that use it?

It's sort of ridiculous that people, like...... 2m/1m poets can get stats by not doing anything but stand there because of illegal programs. Some would even say it's fRIGHTful if you know what im sayin lzol.

I don't know why Kru won't crack down on retard cheaters who are so bad at a game that they have to resort to illegal programs. Kru knows that there is a new program.. Why aren't they doing anything about it?

Thoughts? Bashings from friends of the said users of such illegal programs? Give it to me, baby. biggrin.gif


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post Jul 26 2007, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(Gerdi @ Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM) [snapback]37616[/snapback]

Why aren't they banning it and the people that use it?

It's sort of ridiculous that people, like...... 2m/1m poets can get stats by not doing anything but stand there because of illegal programs. Some would even say it's fRIGHTful if you know what im sayin lzol.

I don't know why Kru won't crack down on retard cheaters who are so bad at a game that they have to resort to illegal programs. Kru knows that there is a new program.. Why aren't they doing anything about it?

Thoughts? Bashings from friends of the said users of such illegal programs? Give it to me, baby.


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People will always find a way to cheat, it definitely is Kru's fault for not having enough resources to catch and punish every cheater.
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post Jul 26 2007, 06:25 PM
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post Jul 26 2007, 07:17 PM
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What do these programs do for you? Are they that big of an advantage other then walking faster?


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post Jul 26 2007, 07:37 PM
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post Jul 26 2007, 07:48 PM
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What do these programs do for you? Are they that big of an advantage other then walking faster?


Many of the old "hacks" have been fixed such as changing path, travelling to maps that you shouldn't, walking through walls.

In other words, yes.

I don't know what Kru has done, if anything, to fix the problem.


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post Jul 26 2007, 09:10 PM
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post Jul 26 2007, 09:52 PM
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Could you describe these new hacks in a bit more detail? It sounds like there's now a hack which hunts for you. I've heard of cheats to get an advantage in PK'ing but never one which effectively gives you free stats....
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post Jul 26 2007, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(herger @ Jul 26 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]37627[/snapback]

Could you describe these new hacks in a bit more detail? It sounds like there's now a hack which hunts for you. I've heard of cheats to get an advantage in PK'ing but never one which effectively gives you free stats....

From what I've heard, this new program has something called poet slave, or something. Basically, all you do is activate it and it heals/spires/sc's entire room for you, and you dont lift a finger. All you do is watch TV. It also has things that like, if it sees dispell, it automatically asv's the target or something. I don't really know what else it offers because I've never used it, but these are some of its options.


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post Jul 27 2007, 02:44 AM
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It lets a poet auto hunt without doing anything. honestly, it's FRIGHTening that such a program exists.
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post Jul 27 2007, 07:48 AM
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i cu what u did there^


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post Jul 27 2007, 11:12 AM
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Actually if you know how to write a script right you can get a bot to do almost anything. Biofo and gorgax were just pointing out one of the most blantant users of this new auto'er it would be pretty FRIGHTning if you couldnt tell who they were talking about.

Since, the illegal program can decrypt packets it knows what spells are being casted its just a matter of knowing HOW to get the program to work flawlessly.

Im sure if someone spent enough time they could even set up an auto-mage/warrior/rogue but poets being the most simplistic of the paths Im assuming it was the easiest to write an auto-poet macro.

It sucks that kru doesnt do anything about these illegal programs basically saying its ok to use them as long as your sam san and dont need sage but if they went around banning people there would be no nexus so its a loose - loose situation


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post Jul 27 2007, 11:27 AM
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post Jul 27 2007, 01:41 PM
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This is just an idea for the judges and archons, if someone is caught using these kind of programs kingdom ban them. Then they can't put there cheating to good use... they can't enter events, pk, goto the marketplaces, etc. All they could do is continually hunt in... mythic nexus haha.
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post Jul 27 2007, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(AceoStar @ Jul 27 2007, 11:27 AM) [snapback]37664[/snapback]

^It's been done.


ya I know its been done look at tern smile.gif


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post Jul 27 2007, 02:20 PM
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It's apparently a new bot called poetslave, i guess it works with a macro/packet system that makes you automatically heal a fighter and sc the room and spire etc.. I've heard about it, I guess it's leaked and it wasn't soppose to leave certain peoples hands, but it did. Anyways It's really unfair, people have been doing it for ages, people auto macroed to huge stats before, and people will do it again.. nothing new :]
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post Jul 27 2007, 05:12 PM
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This is just an idea for the judges and archons, if someone is caught using these kind of programs kingdom ban them. Then they can't put there cheating to good use... they can't enter events, pk, goto the marketplaces, etc. All they could do is continually hunt in... mythic nexus haha.


Then they'd just sell leeching services (or leech their alternate characters) to people who didn't cheat. In which case, they are still profitting from their cheating.

Solution - If you can prove without a reasonable doubt that they are auto-hunting then block then ban the account. That way Kru has the potential to keep a customer (if they choose to come back) by not IP-banning them. As sad as it is, the solution (if ever reached) will not EVER deal with permanent expulsion from the game seeing as this causes the profit margin to diminish.


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post Jul 28 2007, 04:35 AM
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I could spend all day discussing what I know of the script kiddies that use the stuff we all know is used with LazerJesus. I myself have spent quite a bit of time with people who are currently reverse-engineering the entire game itself. Simple little text files define quite alot in the game. There is a program locked onto this site through a user and his profile picture. I won't list it right now, mostly because I don't want anyone who isn't already using illegal programs, and wants to, to be doing so.

For awhile illegal programs was stopped because A patch prevented it from being executed properly, because some bits of data had been changed and ViperZoo, the creator of illegal programs, had not adjusted them. The fact is, that illegal programs was never meant in itself, to be a total kill-all for Nexus, it was a tool that could be used for packet viewing, or pretty much anything to do with Nexus. The fact is, that the majority of it is used for hacking via the use of LUA and packet editing. The way this works is that illegal programs pretty much sits between the client and server, and because of that, illegal programs can change what goes to the server side.

Now, for anyone who likes to believe in the myth of walking through walls, it is impossible. To begin with, to even be able to do that, you'd would have to know the packet information of Archons or GMs to be able to do that. Since that information doesn't even exist on any variable of the players, including all the tiles (A, B, and Object), you cannot walk through walls through packet editing. You can go to maps, but you have to know the information for that map, as in the packets of information that define the map location, (X, Y, and yes, Z) [ I know this from personal information.] Archons can walk around permenant unvisible and untagetable, because they can use the command options via /. One of them is /state [0-7]. One of the states actually changes the character's settings, like when you die, etc. The reason they have this is obvious. As for thier ability to walk through stuff? That's still a mystery, even to the script kiddies.

Some detailed scripts:
AutoHunters -- basically reads the variables in the game. There's a few, actually.

-- AutoPoet is a very popular one, because it reads the variables of your health, and the variables of your group's health, and casts the spells when needed. In the end, it basically heals people for you, all you gotta do, as a poet, is move about.

-- AutoHealOut: A very basic one that reads when your health gets to a certain point, and uses Soothe to auto heal-out. Basic.

-- AutoRage: Pretty self-explantory.

-- AutoHB: Oh, yeah... wonder why some poets are impossible to kill? Spamming their packets ends this pretty quick, I'll tell you what.

The speedhack is used fequently by even some well-respected people, whom have posted in those illegal programs forums, who are among us today in these forums. I am not going to name names -- you people know who you are.

REALIZE: That the information inside nexus is a variable. Anything in nexus can be decrypted in packets of information, allowing people with enough time, like the illegal programs/LUA forums, to figure out what does what. It's easy to spot if you know what you're looking for.

Another thing you should also know is that people are hard at work reverse-engineering this game. You can ask a few people, I do know what I am talking about. But because I myself don't want to get in trouble, and because I myself don't want to be the instigator of a mass flood of people running to find this profile picture, I am not naming names to anyone, unless it is by the forum admins.

Look, people have been hacking this game easily. Private servers are all over the place right now. People have custom patches with custom graphics, and you think it's not real? Think again. It's happening, and you can consider me a guy on both sides of the fence.

I love Nexus, I have played it since '99. But I have also seen the backdoors of this game. I will never help people get to those doors, and I will never use them. I never have. But if KRU honestly wants some true help... I can help them. But I am not going to hold my hand out and go running to them.

And to clarify:

No, I've never been an Archon, and to say I know too much is an understatement. I know beyond what most staff members at KRU, Int. know about their own game, roleplay, function, story, and most other things to do with the way it is hacked. My point is that I know the site, the username, and the way to hexedit the profile picture to have, tada, illegal programs.exe. I'll help you on N/A get rid of it. But you have to help me help you. I will help anyone willing to co-operate with me, to help KRU, INT. destroy this program once and for all. But, it'll be up to KRU, to keep up on it. I can only help them start, but I can't promise they will finish.

I hope to god KRU reads this, because I, as a long-time player of this game, am sick of see'ing what I have of the hacking. I know too much and it makes me feel sick, and dirty. I want it to end. But I can't do it alone.
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post Jul 28 2007, 10:00 AM
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*sigh* Xing-Yu, you've hit a lot of it correctly, however other points you're way off. You can't packet porting in TK, as the way Kru has engineered pop-ups it's all server side for the most part now. Meaning all scripts are done serverside, the active script you're in is the only one you have access to. Kudo's to Kru. The reason illegal programs stopped working is they changed the packet format just a little bit to "help bandwidth" when in reality it was more than likely to stop illegal programs. Kru knows this is going on, it will always go on. Honestly it's something that can never be stopped, trust me on this. Where there's a will, there's a way. However Kru CAN crack down, and cut down on it. I wish they would. If you read another of my threads I bash on Ailin. I hate botting, I think it's the worst thing for a game.

Some games, I understand the point of Macros, if you've ever played DarkAges, it's ungodly to think of the number of hours you'd spend leveling spells or skills which is required to advance to the next portion of the game. The same occurs in Nexus, simply put if Kru wants to somewhat fix people who bot the system, make something else like carpentry, where you can BUY a fixed amount of an item from an NPC. In turn, you go to another NPC, and use that item to craft something that gets you back 20-80% of your money gradually increasing over time. You become a Master at whatever that is, and you then become EE. Now, you say, what's to stop someone from macroing that? Absolutely nothing, however if they're only allowed to buy 100 at a time, and it provides no profit, it'd only be used for EE. Leaving the other crafts for people who WANT to make money on them.

Now you say, "How will this fix the botters, they'll just do smelting, tailoring, and mining/cutting?" Well that's the thing, if everyone is getting EE from this new thing. Carpentry/Woodcutting will drop off, the other things will all remain, and they'll be for people who WANT to do them. So what if they use a bit of a macro to do it, however the bots have to go. So of course, since you figure 100 people craft a day, 75 of them are doing Ginko for EE, that means there's 75 people Kru doesn't have to watch. That leaves 25 for the arhon's to check on.

Now, to discuss Poet Slave, and illegal programs. I could give Kru the fix for poet slave, however I'm not going to do it, the people who make these bots, actually make them, NOT the people who randomly get them. In my opinion deserve them, no one else. I figure out of the 10 people in TK who have the knowledge and power to make these only 4 of them do it. Out of those 4 people who do it, I only know 1 of them who actually cares about their progression in NexusTK.

Kru needs to basically have all-out war with the people using/making these programs until the few people who make them/care about making them realize that it's a better idea to NOT give them to anyone and keep them usable, than to spread them around and lose everything.

Btw, this may sound like a rant, it's 10am, I'm tired.
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post Jul 28 2007, 10:07 AM
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Lol I love reading these people with such amazing motives and that love the game and don't want to see it ruined "But I don't want to help" for whatever excuse you can think of.

The whole post is just a plug to say how cool you are cause you know people that OMG HAX nexus. You're in the "know", and have "hacking talents" as well. I hope you can put it on your next resume and people bow down to you.


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