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post Oct 4 2009, 08:38 AM
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It's really a shame that what I say on NA affects me in Nexus. It had to do with Rangers, but I won't get into into it because Rangers are a thing of my past. I had a great time being a Ranger almost mastering in all the skills, gave many quality scouting trips, earned all the items except the bow. When I said some things on Nexus atlas meta game happened to me, but I meta game too self consciously so I understand. If I were you I would just be careful about what you say on these forums.


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post Oct 7 2009, 05:28 PM
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I started this thread a while ago, and I can definitely see how important it was to ask. Think about it, only our actions in the game should hold any bearing on the characters themselves, not what we say here.

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post Oct 9 2009, 03:26 AM
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This is a good reason not to use your in-game name, unfortunately.


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post Oct 10 2009, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (AllyGator @ Oct 9 2009, 01:26 AM) *
This is a good reason not to use your in-game name, unfortunately.



Or in our case, be careful what we post... haha
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post Oct 11 2009, 10:16 PM
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Using your real name gives your posts credibility though. When it comes to Chongun, host, or warrior issues, I would hope that one would believe my posts more than say a random rogue's post because he is not affiliated with many of those groups. I think Warik said it best, just be careful. Not that I believe we deserve more liberal speech here than in our respective organizations, but I just wish there was more autonomy between these forums and our beloved game..

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post Oct 12 2009, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (Excaliber @ Oct 11 2009, 08:16 PM) *
Using your real name gives your posts credibility though. When it comes to Chongun, host, or warrior issues, I would hope that one would believe my posts more than say a random rogue's post because he is not affiliated with many of those groups. I think Warik said it best, just be careful. Not that I believe we deserve more liberal speech here than in our respective organizations, but I just wish there was more autonomy between these forums and our beloved game..

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1) Why does it matter what you say on these boards? =P
2) Yeah, I don't think it gives much credibility. People still don't believe me sometimes when I speak about OLD nexus.
3) Nexus is, at this point, a glorified Chatroom. NF is a non-live alternative.


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post Oct 12 2009, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (Alston @ Oct 12 2009, 05:34 PM) *
1) Why does it matter what you say on these boards? =P
2) Yeah, I don't think it gives much credibility. People still don't believe me sometimes when I speak about OLD nexus.
3) Nexus is, at this point, a glorified Chatroom. NF is a non-live alternative.



Fully agree on all three of these.


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post Oct 12 2009, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (Alston @ Oct 12 2009, 07:34 PM) *
1) Why does it matter what you say on these boards? =P
2) Yeah, I don't think it gives much credibility. People still don't believe me sometimes when I speak about OLD nexus.
3) Nexus is, at this point, a glorified Chatroom. NF is a non-live alternative.



I think your second point has a lot to do with what you try to say about the old Nexus based on the names you submitted in your profile. I realize that Yuri 38, Spring is still not the oldest of the dates yet, but I never even heard those names in Yuri 38-45; then again, I was 12. Not that I doubt what you have to say, I just think it is more plausible to doubt a name that almost sounds fictitious due to the fact that it is so old. Now when someone logs in and sees Excaliber or reads Jayde's history within old scrolls, our messages just might carry a bit farther.

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post Oct 13 2009, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE (Excaliber @ Oct 12 2009, 09:17 PM) *
I think your second point has a lot to do with what you try to say about the old Nexus based on the names you submitted in your profile. I realize that Yuri 38, Spring is still not the oldest of the dates yet, but I never even heard those names in Yuri 38-45; then again, I was 12. Not that I doubt what you have to say, I just think it is more plausible to doubt a name that almost sounds fictitious due to the fact that it is so old. Now when someone logs in and sees Excaliber or reads Jayde's history within old scrolls, our messages just might carry a bit farther.

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Hah. Yeah. True. Pretty soon those names will be a myth and people'll think I'm some bum. =P

Still have my posts in the Inquiring Minds boards though. -.^


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post Oct 14 2009, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (Alston @ Oct 13 2009, 02:56 AM) *
Hah. Yeah. True. Pretty soon those names will be a myth and people'll think I'm some bum. =P

Still have my posts in the Inquiring Minds boards though. -.^


Only name I remembered was Iudicium, but just to clarify..you were a head judge and got banned twice?


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post Oct 14 2009, 05:25 PM
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I think anything you say, you should be held accountable for! If you dont want to take liability for your words for fear of repremand, then either live with the consequence of your actions, or dont voice the opinion!


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post Oct 14 2009, 06:32 PM
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In the end, anything you say can and will be used against you, always has, always will. Like it or not. Call it what you will, but in the end it only goes to show if you are trustworthy of some things or not, and in turn, will more than likely affect you. So if you do not want to get affected by what you say, then at least use a little caution. It isnt as hard as what some people make it out to be these days.


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post Oct 14 2009, 07:00 PM
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I have to say that I don't understand all the "this is about free speech" and "it's metagaming!" screams from people. There are always exceptions.

For example, for all you hardcore roleplayers, let's say we're playing a game of Dungeons and Dragons. I have never played D&D, but let's assume there is some kind of scenario where you would walk into a cave to fight a dragon for some great treasure. Then one of the guys you are playing with says "Wait, time out, this is out of character - I'm going to betray you all and take all the treasure for myself. Ok, game on."

You people on here saying how things on NF shouldn't be used against you in-character, in-game is similar to that guy then being mad that someone else in his party double-crossed him first and being mad that what he said OOC was used against him.

The fact is, it is called roleplay because it is fake - you aren't really living that life, no matter how much you pretend. And no matter how badly you want it to, things in real life will interrupt, interfere with, and generally supercede things in-character. You have to acknowledge that there are limits to how far being in-character goes. I don't see any of you complaining that event times aren't scheduled off in-game time. I don't see any of you ignoring the pizza guy at the door because that is out-of-character and you are too busy reading comm. It is just hypocrisy - there is no way you can be fully in-character all the time, outside forces (INCLUDING Nexus Forums) do affect in-game and in-character matters.

Now, of course these previous examples are all exceptions - not the rule. On the other hand, having your elder not give you guide because he/she read your views on abortion on NF would be both metagaming and wrong. You have to look at it on a case by case basis.

Quite honestly, if someone came and said things on NF that should have in-game repercussions, and the elder did not act on that because they were afraid of metagaming, then that elder should be removed.


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post Oct 14 2009, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (SSaiYen @ Oct 14 2009, 11:44 AM) *
Only name I remembered was [content removed], but just to clarify..you were a head judge and got banned twice?

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The second time I got banned in 2002, I had got my original character name back and did to Rowann what this guy did to Obama.

Yeah, I used to lose my temper easy. =P

QUOTE (Falaris @ Oct 14 2009, 05:00 PM) *
I have to say that I don't understand all the "this is about free speech" and "it's metagaming!" screams from people. There are always exceptions.


Hey Falaris, wanna chance to pick on me? I used to scream that a lot back in the day.

Of course, I'm a lil' more wiser about the subject.

To expand on Falaris' post: These forums are private property, much as Nexus is (even if digitally and publically accessible). Your free speech goes only as far as the owners of the very tools you use to communicate decide it goes. You can't say "Bomb" on a plane without consequences, and the same goes for NF and NTK. Not only that, if Rachel or Mug decide to shut you up, you can't cry "free speech" anywhere. Your freedoms end where theirs begin, and they administrate the boards/game.

That, and people can say "free speech" all they want. They don't have the right to be heard or believed, or even taken seriously.

As for the whole "Metagaming..." We're flipping human... no one can be truly objectionable out-of-character or in-character... and often that line gets blurred real easily with serious gamers.

Falaris said it best:

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The fact is, it is called roleplay because it is fake - you aren't really living that life, no matter how much you pretend. And no matter how badly you want it to, things in real life will interrupt, interfere with, and generally supercede things in-character. You have to acknowledge that there are limits to how far being in-character goes. I don't see any of you complaining that event times aren't scheduled off in-game time. I don't see any of you ignoring the pizza guy at the door because that is out-of-character and you are too busy reading comm. It is just hypocrisy - there is no way you can be fully in-character all the time, outside forces (INCLUDING Nexus Forums) do affect in-game and in-character matters.


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