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Posted by: solman Sep 29 2010, 01:04 AM

As a former host once myself, and since i somewhat returned to the game, ive noticed alot has changed with carnage department in general. I want a community outreach in what they think of carnage department as a whole and individual basis. Has comments on a specific host by all means. Just no flaming per say.. It is okay to comment on specific hosts tho if you need to, Good or bad!

Posted by: MainAttraction Sep 29 2010, 02:58 AM

those who can't do, host.

Posted by: Adam Sep 29 2010, 07:55 AM

those who can't host, roleplay.

Posted by: MainAttraction Sep 29 2010, 02:00 PM

those who can't roleplay, PK.

AHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: Doctor Sep 29 2010, 02:02 PM

those who don't do any, post on NF.

fuuuu.

Posted by: solman Sep 29 2010, 03:19 PM

Im the only one who said fox hunts are great. There really isnt much to do to improve them even though its an awful event. Overall though you cant improve to much on them, which is why I said they are good.

Posted by: WestSideR Sep 29 2010, 04:08 PM

Without naming certain people, I believe the entire carnage staff needs to be redone. I don't even know how many there are, but out of all of them, maybe two or three (not including fox hunt hosts --- that doesnt really require alot of thought) actually do their job well.

Posted by: LEET Sep 29 2010, 06:14 PM

Great idea, lets replace the five host left, and find no host because no one wants that [Content removed]ty job.

No offense but you guy don't appreciate crap. This 8 plus years of carnage system, making humans do it, could be automated process with great AI. But, noooo carnage host take time out of their day to host for people, but people have the nerve to complain when something goes wrong.

As for the system itself. It has gone down hill since Drywater took over. No offense, but the most infamous person in nexus should of been the next head host. Not him. But the past is the past and sometimes things can't be fixed.


Posted by: Musoyan Sep 29 2010, 06:25 PM

I have seen people host continually for years only to never become head of a department, while people come into the carnage department and get head of a department within a month or two. People in this game like to word towards the top and when they see the top is hardly reachable because of certain circumstances (first sentence) they won't even bother trying.

Posted by: solman Sep 29 2010, 06:45 PM

As a person who got head of a department in under a month from being hired, I worked my rear off in every department hosting or assistant hosting every single event in every time slot. I earned my position when I was there because by all means i was never "popular" among the people who ran nexus. I was only infamous by my own rep and nothing else. Which I say accounts for something.

As far as some of the statements though, I agree that most of them need overhauled (fired). Makes me sick in what the carnage department has gone to. Heads would roll if I was in charge believe me. Even late door openings are unacceptable period.

Posted by: WestSideR Sep 29 2010, 06:49 PM

@ LEET
Here's an example of why people need to be fired;
"Any comments?!"
*people whisper in their opinions on how and why the teams are unbalanced*
*host ignores their suggestions*
*one team gets owned to hell*

-- no joke, couple weeks ago the rounds lasted literally less than 45 seconds and there were quite a few people there (maybe 17 people per team)

Hosts these days ignore suggestions even if they have their reasons explained. Yeah they take time out of their precious day and make one of the reasons why alot of people play (pk) dull and unbalanced. I'm not sure how they can automate carnages, maybe some type of equalization formula that is based on "What their stats / class" are, but still pkers vs non pkers makes a difference too. Also, KRU stated automated carnages "Will never happen." So yeah, we have to deal with this problem of incompetence, and im sure avid pkers who actually understand what pk is and who is good at it would step up to host if noobs were to be fired.

So far the only real pkers are xthunderx and restored in the Carnage staff that is.
Elixirs are fine
Bloodlusts are 'okay' - need more crusades and competence in hosting staff
Fox hunts .. its kinda impossible to be incompetent as far as making teams goes
Carnage is the only bad part of the system and it needs to be redone.

Posted by: LEET Sep 29 2010, 07:29 PM

The infamous person im speaking of is not solman, he claimed to be infamous. It was VIPERZOO sorry to burst your bubble.

Funny thing is im the person who asked that question at that stupid archon Q&A thing:p

Posted by: Skum Sep 29 2010, 07:34 PM

I agree with WestSider's evaluation to some degree. There have definitely been times when an entire team is screaming about an imbalance and the host does nothing about it and then that team goes down in smoke. The instance called to my mind is when the two overall tops were on the opposite team such that our team could literally NOT KILL THEM because we didn't have a fighter of adequate stats. We did manage to win one round, but only because time ran out after the circle and we had kept a couple extra people alive. (Although I will note that in the case we were given a free win because there were not very many players.)

Oh, and on the subject of Fox Hunts, I wish everyone would stop downing on them. They're easy, quick, and fun. Not to mention cheap and you get a prize. What else could you wish for (except the AI bug to be fixed...)?

Posted by: solman Sep 30 2010, 12:13 AM

LEET i know you didnt mean myself. But yes I am infamous as well lol. I could easily write what it would need to be a good automated system in place to keep it balanced a good 90% of the time. Truth be told however, most hosts cant get it right and their "auto" system which i fought kicking and screaming when they implimented it when I was a host was just nothing more then a stat balancer. Big whoop.

Posted by: Foxfire Sep 30 2010, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (Skum @ Sep 29 2010, 08:34 PM) *
Oh, and on the subject of Fox Hunts, I wish everyone would stop downing on them. They're easy, quick, and fun. Not to mention cheap and you get a prize. What else could you wish for (except the AI bug to be fixed...)?

YESSSSS. I've been trying!! ;_;

Okay, so I might be a little biased since I'm on the carnage staff but .. I voted because I was curious to see the answers, of course! I'm entertained to see that nobody has yet complained about foxhunt hosts. Either like the game or hate 'em. -crosses fingers- Right? biggrin.gif

Sadly, I think the teammaking skills of the hosts nowadays aren't terribly good because the people who WERE any good and PKed at all have either quit hosting or quit Nexus and the ones who are hosting now are just trying to learn and do their best.

It doesn't help that there are hackers that can't be killed because they have an eat-out hack or tank you on dis/sc perfectly every time (you know who I'm talking about) and people who play very well one day and very horribly the next (you also know who I'm talking about!).. so.. that's my two pennies.

Posted by: Adam Sep 30 2010, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Foxfire @ Sep 30 2010, 04:00 PM) *
It doesn't help that there are hackers that can't be killed because they have an eat-out hack or tank you on dis/sc perfectly every time (you know who I'm talking about) and people who play very well one day and very horribly the next (you also know who I'm talking about!).. so.. that's my two pennies.
I don't know who you are talking about.
Please name names and give us detailed accounts.

Posted by: solman Oct 1 2010, 02:50 AM

Yea its hard to screw up fox hunts when you just stand there and wait for result. Pretty easy job wink.gif

Posted by: Sarphendon Oct 1 2010, 10:07 AM

Ok so far what I see is, people are not happy with the carnage staffs overall incompetence. There are a few good ones but overall the hosts cant properly assign teams or exibit proper conflict resolution. Starting from the TOP down there needs to be a redux of carnage staff.

EDIT...my sentence didnt make sense

Posted by: solman Oct 1 2010, 02:28 PM

I would say that is a fair assessment. I know theres a few I would love see gone.

Posted by: Destyn Oct 1 2010, 02:54 PM

Well when you have people who know nothing about PK leading the department and you are a host under them, it gets annoying as hell because they are trying to tell you what to do when they don't even know themselves. On top of that, it's generally the hosts that are horrible that tend to suck the e-peens of all the current division heads so they end up getting the higher up jobs because of that. As you would have guessed, when you have people who have no idea what they are doing in charge..things are going to fall apart.

Oh, and if any hosts are actually reading this and you aren't sure why some people don't perform too well..you cannot possibly balance teams just purely on stats. A poet can only be as good as their fighter (and vise versa). Look at who works well with each other in addition to the skill/stats they have.

Posted by: solman Oct 1 2010, 04:29 PM

For myself its not just team balancing/picking teams. Its overall host performances. How they inforce rules, how they influence rounds. Are doors open on time? Other various situations and so forth is what im actually more worried about. You can be a bad host in team picking but be very good at hosting. Overall however, I dont see to many hosts who are professional enough to handle the job. There are a few though.

Posted by: Destyn Oct 1 2010, 04:37 PM

QUOTE (solman @ Oct 1 2010, 04:29 PM) *
For myself its not just team balancing/picking teams. Its overall host performances. How they inforce rules, how they influence rounds. Are doors open on time? Other various situations and so forth is what im actually more worried about. You can be a bad host in team picking but be very good at hosting. Overall however, I dont see to many hosts who are professional enough to handle the job. There are a few though.


I completely disagree with this. I would MUCH rather have an event that is 15 minutes late and has good teams which makes the event fun as opposed to having them on time be discreet and great and have [Content removed]ty teams. I'm sorry but I don't goto these events to have an enjoyable conversation with the host..I go to have fun and PK.

Being on time may be what matters to you, but having fun in the actual event is what's important to me.

Posted by: solman Oct 2 2010, 12:59 AM

I wasnt really saying just talking with the hosts. Im saying their overall professionalism. Which covers everything from being on time, reliable, how they enforce rules if they have to, how smooth an event runs in general. All the little things that goes into making an event other then team picking. As a former host one of the biggest host rules for myself I always made sure to follow as best as I can was, "Always seem un-noticed in rounds and be as of little influence during a round as absolutely possible." If a host has to enforce a rule or does something in general that affects the round dramatically or the event as a whole, a host should not do it. Period, no if ands or butts about it. I know that seems weird to most people but theres a logically theory behind it. That being any punishments or anything you need to do can always be done after the round or after the event. The only time should a host ever "effect" an outcome during a round is if there is a blatent rule breaker that is disrupting a round so greatly, that they have to be removed. Minor stuff and so forth slide until after the round or event and delt with seperately. Again I cant stress it enough, a host should have little to no influence during an event while in progress after the rounds begin. This takes away from all team and player experiences.

That was always my personal rule. As a host I let a ton of the minor stuff slide, but if I had to I have issued bans in the past. I always felt that carnage events in general are for the public and hosts are there "for the public". It ruins the fun and experience of events when a host has to get involved in anything.

Team picking on the other hand is an iffy subject with me. I always was able to figure out how to pick good teams around a 95%+ success rate in having them go all rounds and being pretty fair. But I was also a host who took requests and did matchups most hosts wouldnt touch and balance it that way. But I have no objection for hosts asking players for advice if needed. However the best teams being picked Ive noticed is when less people comment on them. You get to many hands in the cookie jar sort of speak, and all is lost. But team picking is 2nd in a hosts duty as a host. First being remain fair and as impartial as possible. I just dont see that from hosts now a days from the events I went to.

Posted by: LEET Oct 2 2010, 12:21 PM

The carnage system will never be perfect due to the failure of human memory. Unless the Auto dye system gets AI... the system will always suck.

A great host will always only do good sometimes. Sorry, humans are not perfect, but we can create something near perfect leaning towards perfection.


Posted by: Mutilation Oct 3 2010, 02:28 PM

Reading the Forums in combination with various RT posts about the Carnage system, I compiled a list of -active- hosts in each of the PK divisions from the list on NexusTK. Not going to make any comments on any of the hosts for the sake of following Forum rules and avoiding antagonism, but I figured people might be interested.

Bloodlust:

Archileo
Arthias
Inflamed
Scytherz
Sniddster
Timishu
Restored
Yank
Xthunderx
Zanna

Riches:
Drfeelgreat
Nobu
Rebelmagic
Valkie
Zylon

Let me know if any active -scheduled- PK hosts are missing.

Posted by: Kiel Oct 4 2010, 02:37 PM

i made the carnage staff. that says something. just saying. but wait....i think i made tutor too! hmmmm.....wth?!

Posted by: solman Oct 5 2010, 02:01 AM

You "made" the carnage staff or were "on" the carnage staff? tongue.gif Cause if your responsible for hiring some of those people.. ugh lol

Posted by: Destyn Oct 6 2010, 04:47 PM

Carnage staff now is just awful. Most of them would rank someone like babyaqua over someone like pebbles just because of the sheer fact that one is stronger than the other.

Posted by: solman Nov 8 2010, 08:36 PM

Ive been trying to be more proactive in helping things change. But I dont even think the carnage archon cares much. Maybe its just me.. To many things need to change in my view with carnage department.

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