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post Aug 12 2016, 05:10 PM
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Who made you the expert of justice? Do you have a degree in law irl? How well do you know Teragg to make a claim like that? This is a very frivolous comment on your part.


This shows how ignorant you are about Nexus justice and about Nexus over all. You just complain without basis, because you haven't actually played in years.
In Nexus people HAS the right to appeal to a higher level if they want to contest a verdict. I explain this to every defendant and/or plaintiff who contests any verdict I give. People in cases handled by a judge can appeal to Head Judge. In cases handled by Head Judge, they can appeal to Archon of Justice, in cases handled by archons can appeal to Archon Primogens, and if the cases were handled by Archon Primogen it can be appealed to KRU. Can't skip the chain of command and go straight to KRU if your case is handled by a judge.


Stop inventing stuff about what he wrote DarkMaverick. What he said is: if you break share wisdom laws in those cases judges won't keep just warning and warning anymore, there won't be leniency on such cases of serious abuse. He basically said that the strategy of trying to teach people with whispers, warnings etc wasn't giving enough results, so sadly more strict measures will be done IF person is breaking law.


You talk like if judges jailing hundreds of people out of their own will. First of learn about nexus justice before you decide to criticize it. You know nothing DarkMaverick.
The main principle of justice is: everyone is innocent unless proven guilty. To jail someone it is required proof. And judges consult with each other in cases to help find the best verdicts. So it isn't 1 man arbitrator's decisions putting people in jail. Don't assume Nexus Justice is being run like you would be doing if you were a judge or head judge. Not everyone is like you DM.


I think it's useless to try to reason why guys like you, who think: "my baseless opinion is right, everyone else is wrong". You have no idea what is going on, but keep trying to force your opinion upon others with long texts which no one reads because they don't care about what you think.
Teragg is far from being perfect man, but at least he admits it. I've been Teragg admitting mistake multiple times. I've done mistakes too and I admitted and worked to fix it. Tip admitted his mistakes, anyone can do mistakes. But not you DarkMaverick, you are perfect! You don't ever admit mistakes because you never did any in first place. You sound like a mini-apprentice of Donald Trump, but without the money or success to back you up on any of your "expert claims".




Also, it's too easy to say "Fix your damn game" to Wony while you just point the flaws and don't work to be part of the solution. You think sitting your butt in your chair writing pages and pages of flaws is helping out, you are very well mistaken. Since you claim to be an expert of MMORPG why don't you do this then:
- Use your personal money or get a loan to open your own videogame company
- Create your own unique game system, hire your own staff, sign your own contracts, advertise your own game
- If you do that and have more success that nexus, come back here and slap me in the face, but until then shut up!

Do that, be more successful than a man who kept this company alive for over 18 years, against all odds, because he loves Nexus too much to close it even if it's not giving the profit he would dream of. Was he late in seeing how bad things turned for Nexus? Yes. But at least he is man enough to admit his mistakes and try to move on from there. His attitude is one worthy of respect, yours is worthy of pity.

P.S. Your so beloved Final Fantasy, benchmark of all the good and stuff, with thousands of staff members, a millionaire budget, shut their mmorpg doors twice (XI and first version of XIV) due to lack of competence while nexus remained here this whole time and is the longest running MMORPG ever.

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post Aug 12 2016, 05:16 PM
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Well see the same crybabies are at it same old complaint about justice., and the people who are in charge of things.
I left the game because Sarina died in real life and I did not enjoy playing it anymore.
We both spent many hours trying to make the game a safe place for young kids to play and many of you know some were
very young like 8 to 10.

I can no longer see that well so won't be coming back approaching 78 so for all who hate hang on will move on soon
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post Aug 12 2016, 05:21 PM
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I'm holding back really hard

Edit: extremely hard
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post Aug 12 2016, 05:23 PM
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You literally upheld a system that was rife with corruption, favoritism, and ruined peoples characters over [Content removed] that could EASILY be solved with a chat filter.

You and Sarina both made the game much worse than you found it, and the both of you surrounded yourselves with an echo chamber that only allowed you to see what you did as a positive, with no effort to look into changing course.

It's [Content removed]ty parenting to let a very young child play a game with grown adults, and it's not your place to try to police video game content -- if KRU cared about protecting children they'd slap an age restriction on the game, create a real profanity filter, and put in the system a way to block people from contacting you on all linked characters.


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post Aug 12 2016, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (tip @ Aug 12 2016, 05:16 PM) *
Well see the same crybabies are at it same old complaint about justice., and the people who are in charge of things.
I left the game because Sarina died in real life and I did not enjoy playing it anymore.
We both spent many hours trying to make the game a safe place for young kids to play and many of you know some were
very young like 8 to 10.

I can no longer see that well so won't be coming back approaching 78 so for all who hate hang on will move on soon


You're probably one of the most hated men in the entire video game industry. There are literally hundreds of people who hate you on a personal level. I don't get along with DarkMaverick, and people know that here, but I don't hate him. You're different. You literally [Content removed]ing ruined the game for people.
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post Aug 13 2016, 03:34 AM
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Is it fair to say Sarina and Tip are the main reasons why this game failed?


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post Aug 13 2016, 09:37 AM
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tip I don't hate you. Your 3-letter name is cool, and you never ruined the game for me.


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post Aug 13 2016, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Doctor @ Aug 13 2016, 03:34 AM) *
Is it fair to say Sarina and Tip are the main reasons why this game failed?


I would say Sarina is one of the largest reasons, but not the sole reason. Someone let her do it.
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post Aug 14 2016, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (tip @ Aug 12 2016, 05:16 PM) *
Well see the same crybabies are at it same old complaint about justice., and the people who are in charge of things.
I left the game because Sarina died in real life and I did not enjoy playing it anymore.
We both spent many hours trying to make the game a safe place for young kids to play and many of you know some were
very young like 8 to 10.

I can no longer see that well so won't be coming back approaching 78 so for all who hate hang on will move on soon


[Content removed] you tip.

The vast majority of the playerbase was not 8 and 10 and you know that full well.

Even if there were, there's absolutely no evidence that profanity has any negative impacts on the development of young children. No evidence whatsoever.

You and her consolidated in-game political power and used it to harass other people, the same way people like Patricia Pulling and Jack Thompson pretend to be moral crusaders to justify their attention whoring nonsense that serves primarily to inflate their sense of self worth. You treated in-game organizations like Archons, subpaths, Judges and clans as if they were extensions of your personal cult.

You're the NexusTK equivalent of Jack Chick and a contributing factor to why the vast majority of people who used to play the game left.

You'll get no sympathy from me. Your actions caused far too many negative consequences for your fellow players. There are so many people that poured months, sometimes years of time into this game just to get jailed by you because they got into a dumb argument with another player, and consequently forced to leave their clan, subpath or need to wait another year to earn their next san mark. A lot of them quit. Friendships were lost, and dreams were broken. That's all on you.

It's not the worse thing a person can do, but your systematic and repetitive ruining of other players accounts and efforts while self-glorifying yourselves as righteous is deviant. It's far worse than shouting at someone, which is all that in-game cursing is.

You stole people's time and efforts, and felt satisfaction in doing so. There was nothing just about your actions, and that you got away with it all is a great injustice.

But it is not an injustice that will be forgotten. You should know this. While you may think your behavior is of little interest to the vast majority of people, it is of interest to students of game design. Your story is a case study of the dangers of a developer implementing systems that are susceptible to exploitation by griefers that masquerade as moral crusaders. I have a book I have been working on for a number of years that talks about this kind of thing, and that I will be publishing in the next few months.

Your legacy as 'tip' is not defined by what you say to justify your wrongs, but what the actual consequences of your actions as 'tip' were. I know what they were, and I have put them in my book. And so they will be remembered by students of game design who will use your player history as an example of how to not design their games.


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post Aug 14 2016, 05:41 PM
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post Aug 15 2016, 04:08 AM
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Tip: [Content removed] y'all I don't care anymore
Everyone else: rage
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post Aug 15 2016, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Aug 14 2016, 11:29 AM) *
I know what they were, and I have put them in my book. And so they will be remembered by students of game design who will use your player history as an example of how to not design their games.


Hilarious.
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post Aug 15 2016, 04:17 AM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Jun 26 2016, 12:06 PM) *
I still remember when the history museum in Dae Shore opened and basically the entire community was trying to get through and the flow of traffic was tough because of that.

I saw tip walk through jailing people in his way for "door blocking". I swear I saw this happen, and tried reporting him for abusing his jail powers. I think I reported him to Rabasha (sp?) who was then Archon Primogen, and jack [Content removed] was done.


I was there too, and no you didn't see that. You have a bad memory, or didn't understand what was going on at the time, or are lying, but when the Museum opened there actually WERE several people who decided to be jerks and block the doors. If Tip cleared the blockage, which I doubt is entirely the case since I remember Shajara having to come and get rid of door blockers, then he was justified.

I have no idea how you'd see him jailing people for door blocking though. How did you see their legends after they vanished? Was he belligerently telling each what abuse of power he was committing as he strolled through, jailing all in his path, so that you didn't need to see them?

P.S. RabSha (who was frankly an [Content removed] but your story's still bull)
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post Aug 15 2016, 08:58 AM
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Tip, age aside because i don't care if you are 30 or 300, but you completely [Content removed]ed my game up while you were here when i was younger. Over what?? me saying some stupid word like [Content removed] or ass when i was 13? Get over yourself you arrogant ass hole. Could i get these brands removed by a Chongun? Sure but why should i have to. I would rather you re register and find some way to remove them yourself you prick.

Is it a red brand/graphic? Sure, is it that important in life? Of course not. But what you fail to realize is that your actions and vigilantism caused many players, in the eyes of the community, to not have access to certain content in the game. If anyone tried to talk or reason with you, you were dismissive, thought you were always right, never gave a benefit of the doubt to anyone, and surrounded yourself with all people who basically sucked your left nut to be on your side. Don't start with the protect the "trying to protect the kids" thing either, what a joke. You were basically protecting a bunch of middle school and high school kids from being kids. While you (at 50-60 something) were running around trying to play principal in your own school yard.

I think what you owe is every god dam person in this game you screwed over an apology and nothing less will suffice.
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post Aug 15 2016, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (Laren @ Aug 15 2016, 04:17 AM) *
since I remember Shajara having to come and get rid of door blockers


Wooosh
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post Aug 15 2016, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE (Laren @ Aug 15 2016, 04:17 AM) *
I was there too, and no you didn't see that. You have a bad memory, or didn't understand what was going on at the time, or are lying, but when the Museum opened there actually WERE several people who decided to be jerks and block the doors. If Tip cleared the blockage, which I doubt is entirely the case since I remember Shajara having to come and get rid of door blockers, then he was justified.

I have no idea how you'd see him jailing people for door blocking though. How did you see their legends after they vanished? Was he belligerently telling each what abuse of power he was committing as he strolled through, jailing all in his path, so that you didn't need to see them?

P.S. RabSha (who was frankly an [Content removed] but your story's still bull)


I distinctly remember tip walking through a straight line of people in the room that had all the rare items laying on the island sand. He walked up to a person, then they'd vanish. He'd step forward, and the next person would vanish. Like clockwork. I noticed what he was doing because it was so damn bizarre.

These people weren't "door blocking", it was just that the entire population of the game was checking out the museum.

Also I am pretty sure Shajara was not the name of any Archon at the time of the museum opening. If I recall correctly Shajara did not become an Archon until after Rabasha had stepped down as Archon Primogen and Marama had moved up to the position from Primearch, then raised a bunch of her lemmings to Archon status as duties got more specialized and other Archons resigned in protest over the Angel disbandment. I can't recall precisely when Shajara became Archon but I know she was low on the totempole around the time she was in charge of fox hunts.

But hey, keep pretending there was no such rampant corruption with Sarina and tip. We've only have posts from KRU employees like mug telling the community that Marama and co. had been stripped of their Archon duties to appease community pressure for their removal when they went wild with jailing their personal enemies during that four month period the game that had no GM oversight, only for them to later admit Sarina had indeed been Dalnum.

QUOTE (Krmit @ Aug 15 2016, 08:58 AM) *
Could i get these brands removed by a Chongun? Sure but why should i have to. I would rather you re register and find some way to remove them yourself you prick.



Just FYI here but one of the first things Sarina did as Archon Primogen was get Chongun Pardon spell nerfed so that certain crimes could no longer be removed by the spell. This was stuff like serious other and whatnot -- the kind of jail marks they liked to put on people to ensure they could never join a clan and subpath ever again. I vaguely recall arguing about it with the subpath Archon, whose name escapes me at the moment, but it was a big freakin deal and we knew it was purely a political move.

Years later after some community pressure, they created the "Royal pardons" system so that these jail brands could be removed, but the Archons completely control that process, so it's pretty much a joke.


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post Aug 15 2016, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (tip @ Aug 12 2016, 03:16 PM) *
Well see the same crybabies are at it same old complaint about justice., and the people who are in charge of things.
I left the game because Sarina died in real life and I did not enjoy playing it anymore.
We both spent many hours trying to make the game a safe place for young kids to play and many of you know some were
very young like 8 to 10.

I can no longer see that well so won't be coming back approaching 78 so for all who hate hang on will move on soon

Your perception of what the game needed was to sanitize the game so that little kids (who, at the time, were rare on the internet to begin with) can enjoy the game. You not only failed, history has shown this to be the wrong direction to take. The Multiplayer culture has 10-year-olds cussing their heads off over VoIP without any repercussions. Your efforts were ultimately in vain. The original intent of Justice was to provide a more diplomatic and player-involved way of law and order within the game, not to become a method of oppression and begrudging others. It was never meant to be turned into chat filter or a public shamer. However, that's how it went. It also proved to the rest of us that you can't trust a game's own population to regulate itself. You either get complete chaos and anarchy or you get undesirable levels of influence and corruption from parties who have the wrong ideals.

Path to evil laid, brick by brick, with good intentions.

Plus, I'm sorry, but the ToC itself said "Must be 18 to play." I might have been guilty of breaking this rule myself (although my parents let me), but it still applies. Company had no liability. Sanitizing a community-oriented game is what killed most of nexus' population. Too many people felt oppressed and unable to express themselves. Now, nexus is lost in the sea of MMOs that do nothing to stand out as unique products from each other. If it wasn't because we weren't allowed a single mistake (we've all had moments of weakness, and the game permanently punishes you for them), a lot of people would be a lot more willing to have fun in this game. Now, it's either "follow this scripted event, line by line, or you're harassing," and "let's just grind, grind, grind, because the community sucks."

You succeeded in your sanitation, sir. You've ruined the culture.

Edit: By the way, I feel your loss, but don't you dare pull the "Sarina's dead" card to get people off your back. Either counter with some valid points, or just stay off the forums. Stop pissing gasoline in the fire you've set.


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post Aug 15 2016, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Aug 15 2016, 12:09 PM) *
Just FYI here but one of the first things Sarina did as Archon Primogen was get Chongun Pardon spell nerfed so that certain crimes could no longer be removed by the spell. This was stuff like serious other and whatnot -- the kind of jail marks they liked to put on people to ensure they could never join a clan and subpath ever again. I vaguely recall arguing about it with the subpath Archon, whose name escapes me at the moment, but it was a big freakin deal and we knew it was purely a political move.

Years later after some community pressure, they created the "Royal pardons" system so that these jail brands could be removed, but the Archons completely control that process, so it's pretty much a joke.

Just to clarify this, Pardon was never nerfed, nor changed in any way. It was just the god rules governing on how we can use the spell that was heavily laid against us. Also I had MANY arguments against Sarina on her Archon as well as other justice archons as they were cycled for us pardoning some that they never wanted pardoned. For example, one was branded Profanity over some really idiotic, and morally wrong, joke/stunt (call it what you will, doesn't matter right now), and after a while it was eventually removed via Pardon Tribunal. They all jumped down my throat over it for removing it as if I did it on a whim (anybody who has been to the tribunals knows they are done via votes), I had to fight back stating if they wanted it unremovable, mark it accordingly. That just went to show they slapped any branding they felt like. The "offense" was not even illegal to begin with according to game laws. There were others, but that one stood out the most.

As for the Royal Pardons, what a [Content removed]ing joke that was. The guides and I were drafting up proposals to try and get us to be allowed to do the Serious Other, and other jailings that we weren't allowed to remove, to be allowed once again (We did try for quite a while to be allowed to do it before this point). Just as we were finalizing the draft, it mysteriously disappeared from the guide board, and ALL posts that referenced it the day the Royal one was announced. With, surprise surprise, the exact draft we wrote up, with very minor editing to the post. I was so choked and laid into Marama, GM Kru (he was still kicking around at the time), Mug, and the ticket system. In the end I got threatened, again, to not persue the topic any further or face consequences (I got that threat often now that I think about it). And what really set me off after that, one of Sarina's diviner guides, who was also an Archon too, told me that she claimed that she wrote it herself. It was never community pressure that did it. It was opportunity on her part to take advantage of somebody else work and effort to try and get it pushed through.


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post Aug 15 2016, 09:04 PM
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The funny thing is the same diviner guide who threatened you is now the modern day Marama. Sarina lives.


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post Aug 15 2016, 10:18 PM
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The guide I was referring to no longer plays the game. Also her archon got fired for some disagreement/fight she had with Sarina for something that happened in the Diviner path that made her leave the path, or so she claimed.


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