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darkmaverick
post Jun 20 2016, 11:03 PM
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Wony said he wanted to look into changes to the jailing system.

Honestly, he should just eliminate it. Terrag recently posted he was going to start enforcing the rules harsher than the past, and start jailing people for so much as taunting others in Sire pit.

http://boards.nexustk.com/Community/Teragg06141654.html

It's time to reverse this trend. While jailings are still a probability for outright profanity, sexual references, racism and drugs, the tolerance will tighten up a lot for those sages that skirt the boundries, leaving no doubt what is meant, is implied, but not really said. Enough is enough.....

I dont know how else to put it.... those involved know they are pushing the limits, and push more and more. Well, Justice is pushing back.

To repeat:
No more Sire pit taunts-use whispers, speak it outloud in sire, or say nothing.
No more insults to players or organizations.
Absolutely no more sexual innuendos. Dont get cute, it wont cut it anymore.



It's very clear that people like Teragg have no business being placed in charge of the enforcement of game rules. In the real world, a system of fair justice has judicial review and people have a right to due process. People can appeal to higher courts if they feel decisions were incorrect. None of this exists in Nexus, even though jailings utterly ruin your ability to play the game. Now he's literally saying even if you don't literally break a rule, if he decides you were close enough to his personal interpretation of rule breaking, he's going to jail you.

With the examples he's given, he's literally talking about players going into a PVP arena and jailing them for trash talking each other. That's never going to end, that's precisely what players do when they get heated in PVP battles.

Simply saying something like this shows Teragg does not have sound judgement for the responsibility he has.

NexusTK "justice" is really just a kangaroo court where the "Judges" routinely interpret the rules very loosely so they can ruin the gameplay of those they personally dislike. This is how I got jailed for merely saying I was playing while drunk IRL, Marama (Sarina) claiming that I was breaking the rules about talking about drug usage. This of course ignoring the fact the game has wine, beer and herb pipes, and literally a status effect called 'Drunk'. The fact of the matter is she was just looking for something to jail me for because she was upset that I frequently posted that the Archon system should be ended because Archons like her were abusing their positions to harass players they didn't like -- which is an absolutely true fact.

What Terrag is saying is exactly the same kind of loose interpretation of rules designed to justify the jailing of people he doesn't like, even if they aren't breaking the stated rules. And that is not justice, it's just tyranny. I experienced it, as have many other players.

In NexusTK you get jailed because some player paying $9.99 a month from their home computer has arbitrarily decided you broke a rule.

It's useless to try to reason with guys like Teragg. I distinctly remember having many a conversation with him about the abuses of the system and question how harmful it really is for people to disagree with each other, and why people don't just use the ignore list option. The fact of the matter is players like Teragg have wrapped their personal identities up into their positions as "Judges" in a videogame, and stress the importance of this system not because of any actual value it provides the game community but rather for the value it awards themselves.

I say to Wony:

-Get rid of the justice system completely.

-Delete all existing justice brands from player's legends.

-Implement a better profanity filter and add more slots to the ignore list.

-If someone has broken the terms of service and engaged in behavior like hacking and botting, then ban them.

-Hire actual people who work in your offices to receive reports of harassment and if someone has truly done something so severe a punishment is necessary, then suspend their account for a week or something like every other MMO does.

Until you do this, you will not get a lot of us veterans to return to the game and you certainly won't retain new blood.

I don't think people should harass other players, but I also know the player-ran Justice system in the hands of Judges and Archons has been greatly misused because they bend the rules to justify the jailing of players they have personal beef with. Get rid of the entire system and delete all the marks. It's long overdue for removal.

Give players the tools to ignore people who say mean things in chat and have your staff deal with the cheaters. That's all that is needed. Games with vastly larger populations of players manage quite well without recruiting other players to be judge and jury.

PS: Why is death by warping still a thing? http://boards.nexustk.com/Community/Alilol...2005281549.html

Hello everyone,

DO NOT summon players onto tile that will suck them into Manchuria. Doing so WILL get you a Serious Other Jailing regardless whether player is killed or not; this is an attempted murder.


Also, for your own safety everyone, please remember to have your group OFF while you are in an area that allows summon.


Here's another simple fix that doesn't need to be dealt with by Archons and Judges; if someone casts Summon on someone, create a popup that asks the player if they want to be summoned, and require them to type "YES" into the box or they don't get summoned!

You know, like it works in every other MMO?

I swear, NexusTK has no need for the justice system if you'd just fix all these idiotic [Content removed]ing things about it that individually can be addressed in a couple freakin minutes. How hard is it to make a confirmation window? It's not. You know it and I know it.

Fix your damn game. Something this obviously critical to address should not still be happening for a decade. The only excuse is gross incompetence on behalf of the people you hire as GMs.


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- darkmaverick   Jail system   Jun 20 2016, 11:03 PM
- - BeReal   Completely agree with all points. Listen - make a...   Jun 21 2016, 08:40 AM
- - Krmit   Back in the day you actually got a trial in Nexust...   Jun 21 2016, 09:03 AM
- - Musoyan   The justice system has been one of the factors of ...   Jun 21 2016, 09:47 AM
- - Songa   Let's be honest here, it's not just the Ju...   Jun 21 2016, 11:15 AM
|- - darkmaverick   QUOTE (Songa @ Jun 21 2016, 11:15 AM) The...   Jun 21 2016, 02:29 PM
- - Bucky   The funniest part about players jailing others .....   Jun 21 2016, 12:10 PM
- - Vini   QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Jun 20 2016, 09:03 ...   Jun 21 2016, 04:07 PM
|- - SetYu   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 21 2016, 04:07 PM) P.S....   Jun 21 2016, 05:59 PM
|- - darkmaverick   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 21 2016, 04:07 PM) Who ...   Jun 21 2016, 09:42 PM
||- - Vini   QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Jun 21 2016, 07:42 ...   Jun 22 2016, 01:37 AM
|- - Jann   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 21 2016, 05:07 PM) In N...   Jun 22 2016, 02:56 PM
||- - Vini   QUOTE (Jann @ Jun 22 2016, 12:56 PM) As o...   Jun 22 2016, 03:26 PM
||- - darkmaverick   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 22 2016, 03:26 PM) I do...   Jun 22 2016, 03:45 PM
||- - Brant   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 22 2016, 03:26 PM) I do...   Jun 22 2016, 06:58 PM
|- - tip   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 21 2016, 04:07 PM) Who ...   Aug 12 2016, 05:10 PM
|- - tip   Well see the same crybabies are at it same old com...   Aug 12 2016, 05:16 PM
|- - Hijack   I'm holding back really hard Edit: extremely ...   Aug 12 2016, 05:21 PM
|- - Hijack   QUOTE (tip @ Aug 12 2016, 05:16 PM) Well ...   Aug 12 2016, 10:10 PM
|- - darkmaverick   QUOTE (tip @ Aug 12 2016, 05:16 PM) Well ...   Aug 14 2016, 01:29 PM
||- - Laren   QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Aug 14 2016, 11:29 ...   Aug 15 2016, 04:09 AM
|- - Alston   QUOTE (tip @ Aug 12 2016, 03:16 PM) Well ...   Aug 15 2016, 06:03 PM
- - Brant   Justice department just needs to be axed. It's...   Jun 21 2016, 04:15 PM
|- - Yeas   QUOTE (Brant @ Jun 21 2016, 05:15 PM) Jus...   Jun 22 2016, 09:07 AM
- - SetYu   Although I somewhat contribute my ability to type ...   Jun 21 2016, 05:45 PM
- - Mazel   I wish complaining was a jailable offense.   Jun 21 2016, 08:27 PM
- - Vini   QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Jun 21 2016, 07:42 ...   Jun 22 2016, 01:37 AM
|- - Yeas   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 22 2016, 02:37 AM) You ...   Jun 22 2016, 09:10 AM
- - BeReal   Sorry Vini but I can't take you seriously when...   Jun 22 2016, 07:19 AM
|- - Vini   QUOTE (BeReal @ Jun 22 2016, 05:19 AM) Co...   Jun 22 2016, 08:29 AM
- - Brancrese   Didn't read a word of Vini/DM's gripe fest...   Jun 22 2016, 09:09 AM
|- - Yeas   QUOTE (Brancrese @ Jun 22 2016, 10:09 AM)...   Jun 22 2016, 09:12 AM
|- - Vini   QUOTE (Yeas @ Jun 22 2016, 07:12 AM) Acco...   Jun 22 2016, 11:25 AM
|- - Yeas   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 22 2016, 12:25 PM) Dear...   Jun 22 2016, 12:56 PM
- - Brant   I thought the 'law degree' comment was amu...   Jun 22 2016, 09:46 AM
- - Krmit   I mean the Vini and DM thing was 80 pages of IDGAF...   Jun 22 2016, 10:14 AM
|- - Vini   QUOTE (Krmit @ Jun 22 2016, 08:14 AM) I m...   Jun 22 2016, 11:27 AM
- - darkmaverick   Vini, I could go line by line and reply to every s...   Jun 22 2016, 11:27 AM
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- - Conro   I love that no other successful MMO uses a player ...   Jun 22 2016, 12:58 PM
|- - Brancrese   QUOTE (Conro @ Jun 22 2016, 01:58 PM) I l...   Jun 22 2016, 01:17 PM
- - Krmit   This post will probably get deleted but if you wan...   Jun 22 2016, 04:06 PM
- - Loxie   The justice system needs some major changes. Name...   Jun 22 2016, 04:52 PM
|- - Brancrese   QUOTE (Loxie @ Jun 22 2016, 05:52 PM) The...   Jun 22 2016, 05:25 PM
|- - Vini   QUOTE (Krmit @ Jun 22 2016, 02:06 PM) Thi...   Jun 22 2016, 05:48 PM
|- - Krmit   QUOTE (Vini @ Jun 22 2016, 06:48 PM) Why ...   Jun 22 2016, 07:12 PM
- - Ace   I'll add my agreement that player run justice ...   Jun 22 2016, 08:19 PM
|- - Yeas   QUOTE (Ace @ Jun 22 2016, 09:19 PM) I...   Jun 22 2016, 09:03 PM
|- - darkmaverick   QUOTE (Ace @ Jun 22 2016, 08:19 PM) Point...   Jun 22 2016, 10:49 PM
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- - darkmaverick   To respond to some of Teragg's arguments: I. ...   Jun 23 2016, 01:20 PM
- - Alston   QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Jun 20 2016, 09:03 ...   Jun 23 2016, 05:25 PM
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|- - Krmit   QUOTE (Brant @ Jun 24 2016, 11:35 AM) Peo...   Jun 24 2016, 11:22 AM
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