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post Oct 29 2008, 06:43 PM
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Anyone figure out what the new formula is for minor quest exp? It is definitely based on stats, but I'm not really sure what the exact formula is.


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post Oct 29 2008, 10:57 PM
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fresh 99: 10 mil (as before)

Around 32/10: 20 mil

I don't think it's as much of a formula as higher rates once you reach a certain stat level.
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post Oct 30 2008, 12:07 AM
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It was said that it was only Il san+ that it changed, so fresh 99 isn't going to help at all.


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post Oct 30 2008, 06:40 AM
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For me, I get enough exp to buy 200 vita exactly. When my stat cost went up the extra 2 mil per, exp went up an additional 4 mil. So basicly when the change kicks in at Ilsan or whenever, it is 2(vita stat cost).


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post Oct 30 2008, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(SilentS @ Oct 30 2008, 05:40 AM) [snapback]67319[/snapback]

For me, I get enough exp to buy 200 vita exactly. When my stat cost went up the extra 2 mil per, exp went up an additional 4 mil. So basically when the change kicks in at Ilsan or whenever, it is 2(vita stat cost).


Ok so I checked out your theory and it seems to be correct. Thanks for the info.

So.........
I find it kinda lame that it is only based on vita rather than your highest current stat.... it doesn't seem to make sense that my barely Sam san warrior would get almost the same exp for a minor quest when his stats are 639/250 (not quite Sam stats), as my poet gets at 700/650 and Sa san mark.

My poet is #243 on the power list, my warrior is #533, more than twice as far down, yet they both get almost the same amount because of having similar vita.

The point I'm trying to make here is that this new setup favors warriors heavily, who spend most of their stat points on vita, and disfavors poets who normally have the lowest vita to mana ratio. If the exp was calculated based on the highest stat's cost, that would make much more sense to me. Really instead of being 2*vita cost, it could be vita cost + mana cost.

I'm not complaining, just noting that it seems wrong.


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post Oct 30 2008, 09:11 AM
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It used to be only vita based when it first came out, but now it seems to have been changed to check which is higher or something, but it doesn't quite work as 2x exactly. My mana costs 318m per, and I just got 628m from a MQ (My vita costs 162m, so it's definitely not 2x that).

edit: Hmm, that doesn't work, either. Pyth is 3k/283k, and he only got 29.4m experience from his. I'm confused.


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post Oct 30 2008, 10:15 AM
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What your vita costs in Exp x2

Sarphs vita costs 322m per 100 and I get 644m exp per MQ.

side note: becuase of the halloween event/regular MQ's I made 3b exp without hunting once XD


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post Oct 30 2008, 12:13 PM
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It should be a factor of vita + (2 * mana) = total stats

That would be fair no matter what.


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post Oct 30 2008, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(AllyGator @ Oct 30 2008, 01:13 PM) [snapback]67368[/snapback]

It should be a factor of vita + (2 * mana) = total stats

That would be fair no matter what.


Except to warriors of course.


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post Oct 30 2008, 01:07 PM
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It would fair to everyone, because the way that it works is that vita costs half as much as mana, so with vita+2mana being your power level then working all exp from MQs from that, everyone that has spent the same amount of exp total will get the same amount of exp

ie:

1m/300k warrior - 1.6m power level
600k/500k mage - 1.6m power level

both would get the same exp because they have both spent the same amount of exp to get to their stats.


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post Oct 30 2008, 01:41 PM
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Vortex is referring to the fact that warriors have to have the most extreme ratio in order to be effective. Since stat costs increase as your stats get up, a 3m/1m rogue has the same experience sold as a 3.58m/300k warrior. The rogue has a 5m total powerlevel and the warrior has a 4.18m powerlevel.


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post Oct 30 2008, 03:22 PM
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I see your point now


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post Oct 30 2008, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(Rokugo @ Oct 30 2008, 08:11 AM) [snapback]67325[/snapback]

It used to be only vita based when it first came out, but now it seems to have been changed to check which is higher or something, but it doesn't quite work as 2x exactly. My mana costs 318m per, and I just got 628m from a MQ (My vita costs 162m, so it's definitely not 2x that).

edit: Hmm, that doesn't work, either. Pyth is 3k/283k, and he only got 29.4m experience from his. I'm confused.
Did you do your minor quest during totem time? That would throw off your numbers as well because of the TT boost. I get an extra 30 something mil exp during totem. Not only that, there could be a slight chance that each path has their own formula now? But that could be just a wild guess.


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post Oct 31 2008, 08:00 PM
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Okay so I did more testing and the 2x vita cost thing isn't always the case... I'm still not sure what the real formula is. All the quests were done not during totem times.

Here are my results:
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Path: Sa san poet
Stats: 704/640
Exp costs: 82m/140m
Minor quest exp: 164m
Result: cost is 2x vita cost, this fits with the earlier theory
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Path: Ee san mage
Stats: 192/199
Exp costs: 30m/50m
Minor quest exp: 100m
Result: cost is 2x mana cost, this doesn't fit with the earlier theory
Note: after this I figured the formula was 2x whichever stat was higher since my mage has higher mana than vita. If the formula really was this it should be changed so that mana is weighted to be 2x vita to take into account the double cost of mana, but after doing more characters I'm not sure this is the formula... read on.
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Path: 99 Rogue
Stats: 46/23
Exp costs: 20m/20m
Minor quest exp: 20m
Results: below certain stats you only get 20m.
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Path: Sam san warrior
Stats: 640/250
Exp costs: 74m/60m
Minor quest exp: 148m
Results: cost is 2x vita cost.
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Path Ee san mage
Stats: 1mil/1.37mil
Exp costs: 112m/286m
Minor quest exp: 424m
Results: ??? Not sure on this one. Double vita would be 224m, double mana would be 572m. Its not quad vita either, that's 448. So it seems at some point when your stats get high enough the formula changes or something?


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post Oct 31 2008, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE(SilentS @ Oct 30 2008, 06:41 PM) [snapback]67388[/snapback]

Did you do your minor quest during totem time? That would throw off your numbers as well because of the TT boost. I get an extra 30 something mil exp during totem. Not only that, there could be a slight chance that each path has their own formula now? But that could be just a wild guess.


676.2m during totem time


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post Nov 1 2008, 05:45 PM
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Xevu is about 36.7/24.9 or somewhere around there and I get 20mil exp for MQ or 21mil during Totem time. You get a 5% increase in exp during totem time.


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post Nov 2 2008, 09:41 AM
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Path: Sa san Mage (Geomancer)
Stats: 1,112,000/1,010,000
EXP Costs: 122m/214m
MQ EXP: 244m (256.2 during totem)
Result: 2x vita cost

Why wouldn't they make it based on your total stats? I don't understand how they could make it just vita based and not realize that's unfair...


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post Nov 2 2008, 10:36 AM
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For the most part it is 2x vita. I think perhaps they should just give the 200 vita directly per quest? Or split it up, 100 vita and 50 mana per minor quest. That way it wont matter who gets what exp. In the end everybody will be getting the same no matter what stats. The only downfall to this are those who have maxed their caves/carnies and want to stay there, they wouldnt be able to do any. Which I think is minor since they may not even do much to gain exp as it is.


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post Nov 2 2008, 01:36 PM
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Path: Sam San Druid
Vita: 532,230
Vita cost: 64m
Mana: 639,973
Mana cost: 138m
MQ exp: 236m (not on totem time)

Maybe it is based on total stats?.. That number doesn't match up with either my mana or vita cost.


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post Nov 2 2008, 01:54 PM
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So, to summarize so far
if someone has the stats v/m

if v > m, MQ exp is twice the cost of vita
if m > v, MQ is experience is sort of twice the cost of mana, but not exactly.


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