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post Feb 28 2010, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (Sarphendon @ Feb 28 2010, 11:21 AM) *
I thought I'd have a wack at this before anyone has reread it 15times to figure out what the devil your trying to say.
First of all, all you've done so far, is insult and belittle the Do path, for what you say they do regularly. Which apprently to you is insult and belittle people for being less then they. Which I've never seen, and I've been around alot of Do, seeing as my main character is one. But maybe that jades me to the light of you wide 3rd partied wisdom.

Second of all, YES I do believe you patiance translate into how your character has patiance in game as well...YOU PLAY YOUR CHARACTER(well some of us do nowadays) But still, you dont need to be proficient irl at wielding a sword to be a Do, dont be daft.

Secondly, Do never feel above anyone, we are a tight nit circle mainly because there arent many of us. And that is becuase comparing our spells to other subpaths, most players choose to be those paths(barrrbs!)


I've never been a Do before like I've never been a Spy before.

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post Feb 28 2010, 04:57 PM
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Well my personal quest to get Do super quickly payed off. LOL.

Do in 3 days. smile.gif

Quota!!!!!!!!!1111111

and I knew no guides and really didn't roleplay, I was just polite/quiet.

God this game is garbage. There is no challenge.

The Do are up to 66 registered users though!


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post Feb 28 2010, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (MainAttraction @ Feb 28 2010, 04:57 PM) *
Well my personal quest to get Do super quickly payed off. LOL.

Do in 3 days. smile.gif

Quota!!!!!!!!!1111111

and I knew no guides and really didn't roleplay, I was just polite/quiet.

God this game is garbage. There is no challenge.

The Do are up to 66 registered users though!


Quick! Someone give me a reg code so I can join Do while the gettin's good! =P


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post Mar 3 2010, 01:42 PM
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For several years the Do were not allowed to use polearms. When you have a long-standing rule like that, where every time someone hunts with a Do and the Do says they aren't allowed to use polearms, people are going to remember it.

The Do path has only itself to blame for any misconceptions. I mean really, now a special rank to use a polearm? That's still nerfing your own members for no reason.

"Oh boy, I want to be a Do. So I can earn the right to use a weapon everyone else in the game can use. Until then, few people will bother to hunt with me. What fun!"

Subpath stuff like this contributes to the death of this game. Nobody wants to deal with this crap when they can play a million other games for free. And the usual attitude of, "We don't need them! We're elite!" will be your undoing as there are fewer and fewer players willing to play Nexus period; let alone even want to join your special snowflake subpath.


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post Mar 5 2010, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Mar 3 2010, 02:42 PM) *
For several years the Do were not allowed to use polearms. When you have a long-standing rule like that, where every time someone hunts with a Do and the Do says they aren't allowed to use polearms, people are going to remember it.

The Do path has only itself to blame for any misconceptions. I mean really, now a special rank to use a polearm? That's still nerfing your own members for no reason.

"Oh boy, I want to be a Do. So I can earn the right to use a weapon everyone else in the game can use. Until then, few people will bother to hunt with me. What fun!"

Subpath stuff like this contributes to the death of this game. Nobody wants to deal with this crap when they can play a million other games for free. And the usual attitude of, "We don't need them! We're elite!" will be your undoing as there are fewer and fewer players willing to play Nexus period; let alone even want to join your special snowflake subpath.


I think there is a thread for why you dont play nexus anymore. yay nexus bashing...


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post Mar 5 2010, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (Sarphendon @ Mar 5 2010, 11:36 AM) *
I think there is a thread for why you dont play nexus anymore. yay nexus bashing...


Upset because he had a very good point? tongue.gif


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post Mar 5 2010, 03:40 PM
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For several years the Do were not allowed to use polearms. When you have a long-standing rule like that, where every time someone hunts with a Do and the Do says they aren't allowed to use polearms, people are going to remember it.

Ignorance is a terrible excuse, and who besides a Do, cares wether or not a Do can use a PA. Well besides DM.

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The Do path has only itself to blame for any misconceptions. I mean really, now a special rank to use a polearm? That's still nerfing your own members for no reason.

OOO we've had this rule for YEARS, you'd think it would be hard to forget.

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"Oh boy, I want to be a Do. So I can earn the right to use a weapon everyone else in the game can use. Until then, few people will bother to hunt with me. What fun!"

MAN DO I WANNA BE A BARB and exile myself from clans... wait nevermind, Barbs TOTALLY dont do that, because do is the ONLY subpath that gives RP limitations to its walkers. [this is sarcasm incase who ever reads this cant tell]

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Subpath stuff like this contributes to the death of this game. Nobody wants to deal with this crap when they can play a million other games for free. And the usual attitude of, "We don't need them! We're elite!" will be your undoing as there are fewer and fewer players willing to play Nexus period; let alone even want to join your special snowflake subpath.


Now this last section is general bashing towards people in paths, I honestly have NEVER while being a Do or before being one, have felt this kind of snub-nosed attitude from ANYONE in the Do...or from any path really. I mean very few isolated cases people think they are great cause of one paths abilities. But its on a bigger scale like "Oh, I'm a mage, therefore I am god"(partially correct). But then again YOU were one of the most hard cased elitest players I've ever seen...even as a CR. You are one of those isolated cases of elitism that you claim is ruining the game.


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Upset because he had a very good point?

No, I just thought he was misdirecting his real intent.


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post Mar 5 2010, 08:37 PM
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For the most part, I agree with DM in that I think the Do path has some stupid rules, even if they are steeped in roleplay (like not wearing evil items and such).

But, I also know that the great thing about Nexus is that everyone has paths that they like, and everyone has paths that they dislike, because we're all different and have different personalities. I don't have to like the Do way of doing things, but I'm also sure I would hate every minute if I ever joined the Army. Yet, the Army and its structure are perfect for some people, and maybe the Do path is perfect for some people too. And since I'm not a Do, I don't have much of a say anyway.


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post Mar 5 2010, 08:47 PM
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"Ignorance is a terrible excuse, and who besides a Do, cares wether or not a Do can use a PA. Well besides DM. "

Perspective Do-- you know Warriors?

People who hunt with their Do friends out of charity?


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post Mar 5 2010, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Falaris @ Mar 5 2010, 09:37 PM) *
For the most part, I agree with DM in that I think the Do path has some stupid rules, even if they are steeped in roleplay (like not wearing evil items and such).

But, I also know that the great thing about Nexus is that everyone has paths that they like, and everyone has paths that they dislike, because we're all different and have different personalities. I don't have to like the Do way of doing things, but I'm also sure I would hate every minute if I ever joined the Army. Yet, the Army and its structure are perfect for some people, and maybe the Do path is perfect for some people too. And since I'm not a Do, I don't have much of a say anyway.


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I dont know what it is, but when I see your name I want to be arguementative out of sport. But I cant, you've worded it better then anyone.


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post Mar 6 2010, 01:01 AM
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I wasn't misdirecting anything.

I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

You can't act like there are baseless "myths and rumors" for the Do not being able to use polearms. It is a fact that when Masana was elder for several years, the Do were not allowed to use polearms. If you dig deeply into NF you might still find some of the old archived posts where Masana explained it was because he felt people were joining the path to use polearms with blend and that was his method of dealing with it. There were some heated debates about it-- and why debates? Again, it makes it difficult for the MEMBERS to enjoy aspects of the game like events. I seem to recall several former Do explaining they always felt like they had to beg for hunts from friends and unlike Chongun / Barb (who had no chance in hell of making use of polearms because of bad game design), the Do had this stipulation because their leadership was personally disinterested in that aspect of the game and could care less how it impacted his own members.

Then, of course, Brancrese comes in and talks about how awesome the Do are and that he left because Nexus is a "sinking ship". Yeah, it probably is. There are a variety of factors for why; imo, a contributing factor is subpaths like the Do who traditionally have been an island unto themselves. You guys are the Scientologists of Nexus. Nexus does not have much going for it and for any subpath to purposely shoo people away with an elitist attitude hurts the community as a whole because without social organizations like subpaths and clans.... well there isn't much else to the game.

Yeah, Do aren't the only ones who have traditionally done it. But this thread isn't about them. It's about the Do.

I recall from past discussions that the Do are this gee golly amazing subpath with so much activity to do everyday and that everyone is a super-happy family. So I ask this; where the hell are all your former Guides and Elders? How come the majority aren't even regged? Did the close-knit family move to another game and in that game do they impose all the Do rules? These are questions I'd like answers to because they prove or disprove all the statements previously made when people raised the issue of the Do path as elitist who nearly got the other subpaths disbanded over staying "true to traditions", once upon a time.

Note that I personally don't care that much about how the Do path is run. I've got no vested interest. I'm trying to think of a good word for what I'm doing here; devil's advocate is close, but not quite right. The point is the reason the "rumors" you dislike exist is because the path has a long history and many people have long memories. You can't mock people for not staying up to date on the esoteric rules of the Do path, especially when they aren't common knowledge due to the eccentric way the Do path is run.


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post Mar 6 2010, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Mar 6 2010, 02:01 AM) *
I recall from past discussions that the Do are this gee golly amazing subpath with so much activity to do everyday and that everyone is a super-happy family. So I ask this; where the hell are all your former Guides and Elders? How come the majority aren't even regged? Did the close-knit family move to another game and in that game do they impose all the Do rules? These are questions I'd like answers to because they prove or disprove all the statements previously made when people raised the issue of the Do path as elitist who nearly got the other subpaths disbanded over staying "true to traditions", once upon a time.


To be fair, I think this is the case with most of the subpaths and not particular to the Do.
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post Mar 19 2010, 04:04 AM
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Which is why I said, Yeah, Do aren't the only ones who have traditionally done it. But this thread isn't about them. It's about the Do.


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post Mar 20 2010, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Mar 19 2010, 06:04 AM) *
Which is why I said, Yeah, Do aren't the only ones who have traditionally done it. But this thread isn't about them. It's about the Do.


regardless of the title, your going to bring in the other two paths. All three warrior paths are very similar, added to the fact that they all have decreasing numbers. So in essence, no, the Do arent going the way of the shadow. Nexus is.


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post Mar 24 2010, 10:29 PM
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Actually, both Barbarians and Chonguns embraced the quota. Barbarians more so than anyone else, but then again, they were never an elitist subpath.

How many subpaths had their circles closed for being well below quota and having an Elder tell the GMs to stick it? Only one, and that is Do.


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post Mar 25 2010, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE (darkmaverick @ Mar 24 2010, 08:29 PM) *
Actually, both Barbarians and Chonguns embraced the quota. Barbarians more so than anyone else, but then again, they were never an elitist subpath.

How many subpaths had their circles closed for being well below quota and having an Elder tell the GMs to stick it? Only one, and that is Do.

wrong. you forgot shadows.


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post Mar 29 2010, 12:23 PM
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I am rather disheartened that many misconceptions about our path have been so rampant. Elitist is a word that is not fitting for our path, but I think I know why people assume that elitism is the case.

Much of what masters expect from a Seeker of the Do cannot be taught. It needs to be inherent in a warrior's personality and world outlook. Although these things cannot be taught, they can be learned. As far as the quota/adding new members goes, we see tons of intelligent warriors seek the way, but who have not absolved their egos with nothingness. So, do you train someone whos deepest and truest self cannot reflect the teachings we endorse? Can you mold bronze into marble? (I wish.)

A true Do might consider himself lesser or inferior to others. He always overestimates a stranger. He does not consider himself better than any human being, but equal as a living organism with the same basic needs, and focused entirely on where one can grow as a combatant and a person. Now.. where is the elitism?

I theorize that some of the debate here was inspired by people in the Dojang who have lead their lives in a way that does not reflect our values, and for that I apologize. But I would sincerely request that generalizations not be made about all the members of our path by way of a handful of bad examples. Our teachings and traditions are rich, and amount to more than what discredit a few bad apples can serve.
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QUOTE (MightyNymph @ Mar 29 2010, 10:23 AM) *
I am rather disheartened that many misconceptions about our path have been so rampant. Elitist is a word that is not fitting for our path, but I think I know why people assume that elitism is the case.

Much of what masters expect from a Seeker of the Do cannot be taught. It needs to be inherent in a warrior's personality and world outlook. Although these things cannot be taught, they can be learned. As far as the quota/adding new members goes, we see tons of intelligent warriors seek the way, but who have not absolved their egos with nothingness. So, do you train someone whos deepest and truest self cannot reflect the teachings we endorse? Can you mold bronze into marble? (I wish.)

A true Do might consider himself lesser or inferior to others. He always overestimates a stranger. He does not consider himself better than any human being, but equal as a living organism with the same basic needs, and focused entirely on where one can grow as a combatant and a person. Now.. where is the elitism?

I theorize that some of the debate here was inspired by people in the Dojang who have lead their lives in a way that does not reflect our values, and for that I apologize. But I would sincerely request that generalizations not be made about all the members of our path by way of a handful of bad examples. Our teachings and traditions are rich, and amount to more than what discredit a few bad apples can serve.

1. Are you attempting to RP on an out-of-game bulletin board? You're starting to sound like Interstate.

2. Wasn't caused by, or perpetuated from, a Do. Just a bunch of us loud-mouthed disgruntled players (both ex- and current) voicing our opinions on the political ramnificiations of the quota system and the lack of abundance of Do sightings.

3. Aren't Do supposed to not care what other people say about them? tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Alston @ Mar 29 2010, 01:54 PM) *
1. Are you attempting to RP on an out-of-game bulletin board? You're starting to sound like Interstate.

2. Wasn't caused by, or perpetuated from, a Do. Just a bunch of us loud-mouthed disgruntled players (both ex- and current) voicing our opinions on the political ramnificiations of the quota system and the lack of abundance of Do sightings.

3. Aren't Do supposed to not care what other people say about them? tongue.gif


1: No, no. It's just how I talk. Or type, rather.

3: Nope, I care very much what people say about me. That's the track to improvement. =)
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post Mar 29 2010, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (MightyNymph @ Mar 29 2010, 10:58 AM) *
1: No, no. It's just how I talk. Or type, rather.

3: Nope, I care very much what people say about me. That's the track to improvement. =)

I meant general, nonsensical rambling, not insightful and constructive criticism.

And you know 99% of commentary, both here and in the real world, is usually of the former. tongue.gif


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