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post Dec 13 2008, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE (Gerdi @ Dec 12 2008, 11:00 PM) *
No, more like Pegasus is the Nazi party and Drywater is Hitler.


Godwin's Law

"When debating a particular subject, if a comparison or implied connection is drawn between the opponent's argument and Hitler and the Nazi Party, the maker of that statement is automatically discredited and the debate is automatically lost by the person or group who referenced the connection to Hitler or the Nazis."

QUOTE (Gerdi @ Dec 12 2008, 11:00 PM) *
Well, for starters, it isn't (or supposed to be) HIS clan to do with whatever he wants. He didn't create it, a lot of people helped create it. It's an official clan in the game, his obvious biased actions and blatant corruption affects the player base.


Since when are you the spokesperson of what a Primogen can or can't do? Provide some credible information if you're going to state random facts.


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There's really no one arguing that a clan shouldn't allow jailed citizens in its' ranks. But when a person is found abusing (using third party programs) the crafting NPC, and then action is not taken against that player in question, that jeopardizes other peoples hard work in getting that NPC, as it has been made clear that it can be taken away whenever the Primogen decides to be flagrantly disregarding of repurcussions (especially when it's known that the person in question is a long time friend of the Primogen).


There's a separate judicial system responsible for all legal matters. If a member of a clan is botting at a clan NPC, the entire clan is liable thus Primogens ban people to avoid repercussions. However, there is no law forcing a Primogen to ban any individual. Nor is there any law forcing the rest of the clan members to stay in the clan if they want to avoid any trouble.

QUOTE (Gerdi @ Dec 12 2008, 11:00 PM) *
That's funny, all I see here is a single person sucking up publically to Drywater on a forums because they have a past relationship with him.


I've actually never talked to Drywater in the past except when I PKed AGAINST him in Sire.

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I found it a tad funny that you accuse the majority of the players of having a personality deficiency (and is not liking Drywater or the things he does REALLY a personality deficiency?). I guess it's just everyone else that's crazy, and not the few that are on the recieving end of their "accusations"!


Sigh... let me try to explain this as simply as I can. As I've already stated before, the people with a decent capacity for intelligence find alternative ways of getting their problems fixed. Thus, the people complaining here are the leftovers. I've had my share of trouble with Nexus laws, but I've never had to resort to whining on the forums because I dealt with problems on my own instead of looking for a support group.

One example is when I was jailed for sage abuse by a judge who disliked me. The inappropriateness of the sage was questionable so I took it up with an Archon. Using the Law board as my reference guide, I was able to get the issue resolved and my jail mark for sage abuse removed.

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Two points: 1) Pretty sure you just alluded to Drywater being a ... *stifles giggle* ... king. 2) Pretty sure you also pretty much just said that we have nothing going for us but the majority of the population in nexus. .... .... ... ... ... Are you nuts? Because, I might be crazy, isn't what the majority of a population thinks what matters?


Don't worry. You're not crazy; you're just stupid. There's a reason I used the term King. In case you still fail to understand here's more links for you.

Monarchy
Democracy

Note that the other analogy I made (Mafia) doesn't use a democratic system either. Also note that I've repeatedly stated that in the end, it's Drywater who has the final say in Pegasus matters. So tell me smart guy, which system do you think Pegasus uses? If you guessed correctly, you'll know that the opinion of the majority does not matter. It would be nice if a Primogen took into consideration what the rest of his/her clan thinks, but by no means is it required.

You seem to be mistaking my point here. I'm not saying that I approve of the way Drywater runs his clan. I'm not in a position where I can say he's doing a good/poor job of it. All I'm saying is that there are alternative ways to help your cause other than roasting someone on the forums. If you've honestly tried to find an external solution by taking it up with the proper authorities, then I suggest changing your own receptive behavior towards politics so that you don't end up getting emotionally distraught over every corrupt politician.

There's always complications in life. The smart people find ways to resolve them. The average person finds ways to work around them. And the dumb people are the ones left crying while nothing gets accomplished.
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post Dec 13 2008, 02:01 AM
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QUOTE (Pebbles @ Dec 13 2008, 01:57 AM) *
Godwin's Law

"When debating a particular subject, if a comparison or implied connection is drawn between the opponent's argument and Hitler and the Nazi Party, the maker of that statement is automatically discredited and the debate is automatically lost by the person or group who referenced the connection to Hitler or the Nazis."


The best kind of responses are the ones quoted from Wikipedia as if it gives your argument some kind of legitimacy!

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Since when are you the spokesperson of what a Primogen can or can't do? Provide some credible information if you're going to state random facts.


Oh, for one thing, it's called 'common sense'. Secondly, do you disagree then? That he didn't create it, that it WAS facilitated by an army of people, that it's not his personal playground to do with whatever he wants? If you disagree, then you're an idiot. If not, then your point is moot

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There's a separate judicial system responsible for all legal matters. If a member of a clan is botting at a clan NPC, the entire clan is liable thus Primogens ban people to avoid repercussions. However, there is no law forcing a Primogen to ban any individual. Nor is there any law forcing the rest of the clan members to stay in the clan if they want to avoid any trouble.


Whether there is a law or not regarding dismissal of a clan member because he's blatantly abusing the crafting NPC is foggy to me, but I'm sure there is. However, that is irrelevant. What I am sure of is that they can have their NPC taken away if the proper punishment isn't practiced. Drywater didn't do something that ANY OTHER CLAN WOULD HAVE: Dismissing Nutase. He put his entire clan at risk by not doing so.

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I've actually never talked to Drywater in the past except when I PKed AGAINST him in Sire.


Really? Surprising considering the defensive tone of your post

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Sigh... let me try to explain this as simply as I can. As I've already stated before, the people with a decent capacity for intelligence find alternative ways of getting their problems fixed. Thus, the people complaining here are the leftovers. I've had my share of trouble with Nexus laws, but I've never had to resort to whining on the forums because I dealt with problems on my own instead of looking for a support group.


Ok, nevermind, I believe you. Your ignorance about the entire Drywater ordeal is astounding. What intelligent methods would you propose? Ticketing? Check. Mailing Archons? Been there, done that. There is nothing you can do when someone has power in Nexus, especially someone who has had it for so long. Are you really naive enough to believe Kru helps people? Roflroflroflroflroflrofl.

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One example is when I was jailed for sage abuse by a judge who disliked me. The inappropriateness of the sage was questionable so I took it up with an Archon. Using the Law board as my reference guide, I was able to get the issue resolved and my jail mark for sage abuse removed.


Congratulations, you're a very fortunate person then. Let it be heard: Archons haven't been 100% useless in the past!

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Don't worry. You're not crazy; you're just stupid. There's a reason I used the term King. In case you still fail to understand here's more links for you.

Monarchy
Democracy


YES! More wikipedia references to give your empty argument worth!

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Note that the other analogy I made (Mafia) doesn't use a democratic system either. Also note that I've repeatedly stated that in the end, it's Drywater who has the final say in Pegasus matters. So tell me smart guy, which system do you think Pegasus uses? If you guessed correctly, you'll know that the opinion of the majority does not matter. It would be nice if a Primogen took into consideration what the rest of his/her clan thinks, but by no means is it required.


No one is arguing that a Primogen doesn't have final say in the matter. But that's the problem: You're basically defending his actions when he doesn't care about what majority of the people think. Despite what you think, there is basic guidelines that Primogen has to follow. I'm not a clan expert, but I'm pretty sure being a dictator isn't mentioned as a plus. The fact is, if you're doing something that will be hurting your clan, you are not fit for Primogen, and you should be removed.

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You seem to be mistaking my point here. I'm not saying that I approve of the way Drywater runs his clan. I'm not in a position where I can say he's doing a good/poor job of it. All I'm saying is that there are alternative ways to help your cause other than roasting someone on the forums. If you've honestly tried to find an external solution by taking it up with the proper authorities, then I suggest changing your own receptive behavior towards politics so that you don't end up getting emotionally distraught over every corrupt politician.


No, there are not alternative ways. Emotionally distraught? We're making complaints in an environment where it's more leniant, where it won't be deleted by corrupt Archons who are alts of friends. I doubt any of us are cutting our wrists over this game, so alluding to that doesn't reinforce anything you have to say. The problem with reporting corrupt people in this game is that we're reporting them TO corrupt people who don't [Content removed]ing care.

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There's always complications in life. The smart people find ways to resolve them. The average person finds ways to work around them. And the dumb people are the ones left crying while nothing gets accomplished.


You're confusing crying about it with laughing about it incredulously. We actually can't believe that something like this goes on and the GM's do not care. Let me change up your seperation of the intelligent people though: The smart people become corrupt and run the game unfairly and how they see fit. The average person conforms to their dictatorship, becoming accomplices to it all. And the dumb people, like me and the majority of Nexus I guess, become the victims and have to resort bringing it up on a forums that everyone reads, because if they say anything about it in Nexus, they are silenced.

But seriously, I kind of hope (which is a rare commodity for me, since I'm emotionally distraught) you reply with more pseudo-witty comments that you have to try and back up with wikipedia. It gives your argument a whole bunch of validity (right? Right???), but unfortunately, I guess most of the forum users are comprised of dumb people!
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post Dec 13 2008, 12:38 PM
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Gerdi, the only way to win an arguement against someone who is convinced they're smarter than you is to punch them in the face. Trust me, it works. Unfortunatly, that's hard to do over the internet, which is why you've got people like that willing to demean and insult others if they don't agree with them. I commend you on your continueing to "debate" with him, but I'm tellin you, save up some gas money and I'll pick you up, we'll handle this debate my way. =P


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post Dec 13 2008, 12:58 PM
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Watch out for Pebbles. . .






He's Drywater's puppet~!




Honestly, I find it hilarious that you, Pebbles~ have taken the time out of your day to post on this forum about how everyone here who has an -opinion- on Drywater are a bunch of no-life, losers.


So what does that make you exactly? You somehow think you're above anyone who has posted here. . yet, you're someone who's sooooo much more intelligent than everyone here because you find sources on wikipedia~?


Before you start hopping to Wikipedia to make your post stronger - Perhaps you should look to a Dictionary, under the word -OPINION- and take note that everyone here post theirs. . and any idiot would know that to not come off as a moronic jerk, that you should respect it~


It's very funny actually~ You who calls anyone who "whines" on these forums, "leftovers" and "losers" and all that~ Yet you're whining about absolutely nothing rolleyes.gif That's my opinion at least~



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post Dec 13 2008, 03:17 PM
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Finding support for my points isn't a cause, but rather an effect of me being smarter than you. And out of goodwill, I decided to help you by suggesting more productive ways to make your point.

Gerdi: There's nothing forcing Drywater to change the current way he is running Pegasus. You claim that it's common sense that Drywater should listen to others because they helped create the clan, but history shows that he doesn't have to. Hence the existence of non-democratic governments. All you're doing is projecting your own moral standards onto Drywater when you don't have the qualifications for such a position. Judges have the credentials to make legal judgements. Religious figures have the credentials to make moral judgements. But you are just an insignificant whiner that incessantly complains about every "corrupt" person in Nexus while doing nothing worthwhile to change the game for the better.

And are you seriously trying to criticize me for using Wikipedia? I apologize for wanting to know the facts before I state my opinion on a subject, unlike you who goes around saying "Drywater can't do this or that" while admitting that you don't even know if there's a law that regulates the actions of a Primogen.

The premise of your entire argument is:
"Drywater can't do the things he is doing because it's not his clan. Other people helped make it."

And who says he can't do whatever he want just because other people helped make it?
"Common sense."

Yea, okay. I'll trust Wikipedia over your idea of common sense.



Chichi: I don't think I'm smarter than you. I am smarter than you~

Okay~?

True story~

I'm not telling people to stop posting their opinions. I'm just saying that it's not very fruitful to to bash ideas/people without any constructive suggestions. But by all means, if people want temporary catharsis by releasing all their negative energy through their posts, then feel free to carry on. However, it's only a matter of time before a new corruption topic appears and all the complainers flock over there to whine once more. It's usually the same people complaining in every thread. From that, I can surmise that either they have the worst luck in the world or other people have found different ways to cope with problems.




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post Dec 13 2008, 03:41 PM
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Although complaining isn't always neccisarly a good thing, it's pretty much all you can do when it comes to Kru. The only things you can do is

Report something to an archon
Report something to a Judge
Report something to Kru

The first two choices say "not my problem"
the last one says "Thanks for the information"

So I see why people write things on the forums. Weirdly enough it's the one place MUG notices things.
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post Dec 13 2008, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (Pebbles @ Dec 13 2008, 02:17 PM) *
Finding support for my points isn't a cause, but rather an effect of me being smarter than you. And out of goodwill, I decided to help you by suggesting more productive ways to make your point.

Gerdi: There's nothing forcing Drywater to change the current way he is running Pegasus. You claim that it's common sense that Drywater should listen to others because they helped create the clan, but history shows that he doesn't have to. Hence the existence of non-democratic governments. All you're doing is projecting your own moral standards onto Drywater when you don't have the qualifications for such a position. Judges have the credentials to make legal judgements. Religious figures have the credentials to make moral judgments. But you are just an insignificant whiner that incessantly complains about every "corrupt" person in Nexus while doing nothing worthwhile to change the game for the better.



I'd like to point out a few things:

1: Gorgax isn't projecting 'his own' moral standards on to Drywater, rather he's simply conforming to the standards of every other Clan in Nexus. Drywater might be the 'King' of Pegasus, but there are far more superior positions of power than being the Primogen of a Clan. Remember that.

2: Again, instead of explaining your point of view from the viewpoint of Nexus, you're using IRL. The Judges of nexus do not have the credentials to make legal judgments, they're simply players who keep their nose out of the community, and are rewarded for being an older person playing Nexus.

3: Religious figures don't make their own moral judgments, they depend on the grounds of their faith to set those morals. Along with that, any normal person should be intelligent enough to understand that it is up to his/her own self to create moral judgments for his/her's self. Note: What the hell does the matter at hand have to do with morals anyway? I mean, the only thing I can think of is Drywater letting criminals in to his clan, the clan he is supposed to protect from said criminals.

4: I have to disagree with you when you say Gorgax's whining is insignificant. It has a lot to do with the whole idea of everyone having an opinion.

I'm actually quite confused when I try to think about what exactly you're trying to prove Pebbles... Maybe you're having a conflict yourself and rather than solving that conflict amongst yourself, you've managed to carry it in to a GAME. Nexus has nothing to do with Religion and neither do many other real life aspects. Every position of power within this game is voluntary. There's really no points to prove or morals or ethical decisions at hand that actually matter. Remember these things before you decide to reply with material that you find on Wikipedia.

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post Dec 14 2008, 05:31 AM
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QUOTE (Pebbles @ Dec 13 2008, 03:17 PM) *
Finding support for my points isn't a cause, but rather an effect of me being smarter than you. And out of goodwill, I decided to help you by suggesting more productive ways to make your point.

Gerdi: There's nothing forcing Drywater to change the current way he is running Pegasus. You claim that it's common sense that Drywater should listen to others because they helped create the clan, but history shows that he doesn't have to. Hence the existence of non-democratic governments. All you're doing is projecting your own moral standards onto Drywater when you don't have the qualifications for such a position. Judges have the credentials to make legal judgements. Religious figures have the credentials to make moral judgements. But you are just an insignificant whiner that incessantly complains about every "corrupt" person in Nexus while doing nothing worthwhile to change the game for the better.


I'm just going to set up camp and pull a little extra Brantness here.

1) Using tilda's for no [Content removed]ing apparent reason makes you a complete idiot therefore you are not smarter than anyone, in reality you Know you're smarter than everyone but in ACTUAL reality you THINK you are. You got a personality complex and it makes you come off (and you are) as a complete [Content removed]ing retard.

2) Finding support for your points was not shown at all, using wikipedia is not a source so I do not see why you are even implying that you found sources that were an "effect" of you being an 8th grade essay writer for your 'advanced reading' class.

3) Now I will proceed to laugh at you uncontrollably and make fun of your most retarded rediculous idiotic comments. And here we ..... Go! (That was for you Brant, lil Joker reference)
a. There's a difference between Governments and Nexus Clans.
By the way, "God" or your "Parents" project their moral standards on you and at one point you conformed to them or
did the opposite. But guess what? You can't decide who is qualified or not, 1) because youre [Content removed]ing retarded, and 2) Because no one can.
b. Yeah, judges have the qualifications to make legal judgments that's why OJ didn't do it and rodney king has a black eye.
Oh and that's also why Emitt Till's killers were tried like 30 freaking years later. <insert Wiki reference>
Judges make these decisions because Someone Somewhere 1) taught them 2) trusts them to
How can you even say one person is qualified to make an unbiased decision about anything? There's a reason
people on Scum board are constantly punished differently and it's not because the system runs on a 3 strike rule.
c. Brant explains this pretty well but I felt like tossing something in...
Religious figures are qualified to make moral judgments? Who the [Content removed] are you? Sec lemme call Tom Cruise and ask him what
the church of scientology wants to do with the world once we give it full power over america. Religious figures aren't qualified to
make moral judgments because they believe in god or follow a set of rules set up by the [Content removed]ing cardinal's in whothe[Content removed]knowswhere
a long ass time ago. They are qualified to "act on their beliefs", BUT WHO THE [Content removed] ISN'T?
I am just as qualified to make a moral judgment as a 'religious figure', or a 'judge', or a 'police officer' because I'm a
human being who grew up within a community and is under the jursidiction of 'Society' and not a group of power hungry
Archons who are all [Content removed]ing retarded irl.

Let me conclude with this:
What did you do to make the game better?
I'd say Gorgax is 'Addressing the important issues' rather than complaining. And I'd say you're [Content removed]ing and being ignorant rather than
being the smartest person alive.

Also, Gorgax explained in one of the premises of his argument that You cannot change the game for the better because people have been
in a position of utter and complete power for much too long and are also players within the game. When You form a
counter argument, next time address the other persons points fully otherwise your points are moot most of the time. That is why the system is corrupt,
That is why you have just been served a plate of HiWelcomeToTheO'ReillyFactorIArgueWithAngerAndIdiocyRatherThanLogic.
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QUOTE (Halbarad @ Dec 14 2008, 05:31 AM) *
1) Using tilda's for no [Content removed]ing apparent reason makes you a complete idiot therefore you are not smarter than anyone, in reality you Know you're smarter than everyone but in ACTUAL reality you THINK you are. You got a personality complex and it makes you come off (and you are) as a complete [Content removed]ing retard.



Way to insult ChiChi who is on your side.. nice

While I am more on the side of blackh and the rest I agree with Pebbles on one point after reading your entire post. He IS smarter than YOU smile.gif
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post Dec 14 2008, 03:21 PM
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Unfortunately, Pebbles is right that Drywater has no obligation to do what anyone else wants. Primogens and Elders are basically dictators. That doesn't mean he shouldn't listen, though. That doesn't mean anyone should be defending him. There's a big difference between what's legal and what's right.
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QUOTE (Pint @ Dec 14 2008, 06:59 AM) *
Way to insult ChiChi who is on your side.. nice

While I am more on the side of blackh and the rest I agree with Pebbles on one point after reading your entire post. He IS smarter than YOU smile.gif



Did I say ChiChi was smart?

Why are you even arguing about sides
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post Dec 15 2008, 06:56 PM
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Everyone leave pebbles alone! He needs his time to consult with his cross eyed girlfriend Elaine to come up with more protective posts on Drywater.

Also Pebbles it's been a little over 2 years since anyone has seen/heard from you...ironically that's the same amount of time it takes for someone who is permanently banned to be allowed to come back!
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post Dec 18 2008, 01:57 AM
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Brant: When I say credentials, I'm talking about on paper or in ideal theory (eg: religious figure being an authority on ethics) or by law at the very least. The validity of judges' qualifications by merit, in and out of Nexus, is completely arbitrary, but that wasn't my point. I wasn't talking about interpretive qualifications, but more about legal ones. I assumed that was a given considering that the law was the basis of my argument about what Drywater can or cannot do.

You guys are just proving my point. I said that you guys aren't qualified to tell Drywater what he can or cannot do. I gave some examples of people who are deemed as qualified in their respective fields, but you guys argue that no one is qualified because it's an individual-based thing, which was MY point to begin with. Therefore, rather than using individual-based standards, the law should be the ultimate deciding factor of what Drywater can or cannot do.

Seeing as how no one's been able to provide an excerpt from the Law Board or quote an Archon that states otherwise, I think it's fair to say that a Primogen can do whatever he/she wants to a certain extent. Or at the very least, Drywater has the legal powers to do the very things that most of you claimed he can't do.

And I'll say it again. I'm not supporting Drywater, but rather pointing out the technicalities. I've already stated that I'm not knowledgeable enough about the current situation in Pegasus to form an opinion. However, on a broader scope, I agree with Laren's philosophy on leadership in general.

Halbarad: Your astute observational skills and talent with words leave me utterly defeated.

AccntScrty: I was gone from Nexus for five years. Anyway, if I ever was banned, you wouldn't know about it because I'm not fond of making complaints on the forums. And If I ever was unbanned, it would be because I take matters into my own hands instead of blaming all mishaps on external forces.
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post Dec 18 2008, 02:12 AM
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QUOTE (Pebbles @ Dec 18 2008, 12:57 AM) *
Brant: When I say credentials, I'm talking about on paper or in ideal theory (eg: religious figure being an authority on ethics) or by law at the very least. The validity of judges' qualifications by merit, in and out of Nexus, is completely arbitrary, but that wasn't my point. I wasn't talking about interpretive qualifications, but more about legal ones. I assumed that was a given considering that the law was the basis of my argument about what Drywater can or cannot do.

You guys are just proving my point. I said that you guys aren't qualified to tell Drywater what he can or cannot do. I gave some examples of people who are deemed as qualified in their respective fields, but you guys argue that no one is qualified because it's an individual-based thing, which was MY point to begin with. Therefore, rather than using individual-based standards, the law should be the ultimate deciding factor of what Drywater can or cannot do.

Seeing as how no one's been able to provide an excerpt from the Law Board or quote an Archon that states otherwise, I think it's fair to say that a Primogen can do whatever he/she wants to a certain extent. Or at the very least, Drywater has the legal powers to do the very things that most of you claimed he can't do.

And I'll say it again. I'm not supporting Drywater, but rather pointing out the technicalities. I've already stated that I'm not knowledgeable enough about the current situation in Pegasus to form an opinion. However, on a broader scope, I agree with Laren's philosophy on leadership in general.

Halbarad: Your astute observational skills and talent with words leave me utterly defeated.

AccntScrty: I was gone from Nexus for five years. Anyway, if I ever was banned, you wouldn't know about it because I'm not fond of making complaints on the forums. And If I ever was unbanned, it would be because I take matters into my own hands instead of blaming all mishaps on external forces.



I don't think anyone, well not me anyway, was questioning the legality of what Drywater does and doesn't do. I was merely stating that he clearly doesn't follow the morals and beliefs that Pegasus was founded on. Sure, he can do what ever he wants until the Archons/GMs climb up his ass, but that still doesn't make what he's doing ethical.

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QUOTE (Brant @ Dec 18 2008, 03:12 AM) *
I don't think anyone, well not me anyway, was questioning the legality of what Drywater does and doesn't do. I was merely stating that he clearly doesn't follow the morals and beliefs that Pegasus was founded on. Sure, he can do what ever he wants until the Archons/GMs climb up his ass, but that still doesn't make what he's doing ethical.

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Exactly, I'm not saying he did anything illegal (and, let's be honest though, he probably has done illegal things), but regardless of everything, it's wrong to perform unethically. He's using Pegasus as his own personal club, and it does NOT belong to him.

Pebbles, I really have no [Content removed]ing clue what you're trying to argue. You're basically complaining that we're complaining. This is a public forum and, excluding a few things, we can say whatever the [Content removed] we want as long as it's on topic. There is no point in me saying this in Nexus, because Archons will step in and say I can't do something. I'd rather continue getting the word out in alternative places, and who knows, maybe he'll be pressured to give it to someone more qualified. That's doubtful though, because people who love being in power in Nexus typically stay in power for a very long time.

I was a friend of SoulHunter's who invited me to join Pegasus before it became an official clan. I never thought that an official clan would become something like this, and if it did, I thought there would be some kind of intervention.

I think the problem with someone like Drywater is that he's become a poster-boy for what Nexus has become. People think I'm infamous because I got jailed a lot? I cursed a few times and was jailed for ridiculous and beyond questionable crimes. Drywater has become a personification of unchecked 'corruption'. Do you people really think these 'rumors' are without merit?

We have no one to turn to with these problems. We would be reporting a corrupt person to corrupt people. What else can someone do besides spread the word about it in a very popular place that's outside of Nexus? The game has been run by people that do not care about its customers.

I still think it's kind of funny that Pebbles was like, "All you complainers have is the majority of the population..." That's all you're supposed to need. When the majority of people do not like something in the game, you know what you're supposed to do? Change it!

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post Dec 18 2008, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (Gerdi @ Dec 18 2008, 05:08 PM) *
He's using Pegasus as his own personal club, and it does NOT belong to him.


Yes, it does. That's my point. By law, Drywater can do whatever the hell he wants with Pegasus.

It's one thing to question Drywater's morals and leadership abilities, but you're delving into legal territory when you start talking about what Drywater can or can't do or what protocol he has to follow when one of his clan members break the law.

If you're complaining that Drywater is immoral, then my follow-up point would be that you're complaining about trivial matters. Not everyone is a saint so get used to it. Based on his posts in this thread, it seems Drywater doesn't care about what any of you have to say so criticizing him won't change his behavior. I don't see any productive value in this thread except for temporary relief. If that's the case, I said carry on with your complaints.

If you're complaining that Drywater is participating in illegal activities then the forums isn't the correct venue to voice such complaints.

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I still think it's kind of funny that Pebbles was like, "All you complainers have is the majority of the population..." That's all you're supposed to need. When the majority of people do not like something in the game, you know what you're supposed to do? Change it!


You're taking my quote out of context. I said all you have going for you in this thread is sheer numbers. By no means do the 10 people in this thread represent the mentality of the other 1000+ people in Nexus. And once again, there is no law stating that if the majority of people feel a particular way about something, it must be changed. It would be good business for Kru to heed their customers' advice, but it's not mandatory.

You seem unable to differentiate the law and required actions from morals and ideal expectations.
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post Dec 18 2008, 04:57 PM
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I don't see why turning a clan into a personal club is a problem.


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post Dec 18 2008, 05:18 PM
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?? If every clan was a personal club, rp would be thrown out the window even further.
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Overall RP is dead. Barb RP is still alive somewhat, but too many take it to the lower side.


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?? If every clan was a personal club, rp would be thrown out the window even further.

Oh perhaps when subpaths were their own personal club (smaller and with people who knew eachother well) and when clans were smaller and personal it would be like when roleplay was more of a factor.

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